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About 50 people have already labelled this thread hilarious/awful, but I figured I'd weigh in anyway. I've listened to both bands since slightly before LFDGD and In Absentia came out, and have never once even thought of them as similar. I don't hear any PT in Katatonia and especially not...

Probably cause they're not facts, they're just ignorant opinions of someone that hates a band and really wants to argue about it.

Maybe a song or two on the last album is in Bb, but definitely nothing on Viva Emptiness or before. Also, I'm not sure why some people are treating the meshuggah similarity as an insult which must be angrily denied.

That guy is great, but so is the Meshuggah guy. You obviously don't know much about him if you think his "interesting" parts were "done with a program called drumkit from hell." ONE of their albums (Catch 33) has computer generated drums, cause they were aiming for a robotic sound, and the...

Yeah, you're kinda right, it's just the extreme downtune plus the guitar tone plus the way the drums are the 4/4 cymbals +bass drum following every guitar note PLUS the fact that Meshuggah are one of the best-known bands from the same region as Katatonia makes it unlikely they didn't at least...

Nah, I actually like Gorguts, Obscura and From Wisdom to Hate are great albums. Necrophagist and their ilk I'm also very familiar with, but really am not a big fan of. They have rhythmic complexity but it's not on the level of Meshuggah, Meshuggah's rhythmic junk in some songs is REALLY messed...

I agree Cynic is better, but the other guys? Blech. In terms of pure finger dexterity of course it's harder to play that stuff, in terms of actual execution I'd give the nod to Meshuggah. Good luck keeping that junk together live.

So who were Meshuggah ripping off when they made Destroy Erase Improve and Chaosphere? I think they pretty much invented that style. And hate them or not, I think pretty much anyone who plays like that these days has heard Meshuggah and is using them as an influence. The intro to the new...

I used to think they were terrible, they definitely take a lot of acclimation. I remember back in about 2000 when I was getting into "underground" metal and was downloading what everyone told me to (Opeth - Morningrise, Anathema - Judgement, Amorphis - Tuonela, etc) I saw a bunch of people...

I wasn't a huge fan of TGCD, it sounded like a slicker and more inconsistent version of Viva Emptiness, like they took the B-sides from the album and remastered them so they sounded better than the A-sides. Still, it had some good songs and some interesting ideas, and did have some clear...

;_; RIP Opeth forum, I will miss thee.

Well, yeah. Most of the population is completely retarded. As computers and the internet continue to get even more mainstream and accepted as not just for nerds, the dumber it gets.

I thought was terrible. I gave detailed reasons for why i thought it was terrible. Apparently this makes me a closed-minded opeth fanboy or something? It might be possible to make a good techno remix of an opeth song. This isn't even trying. How is it elitist to hate it? I like plenty of...

Haha, OK, I was willing to give you some credit on the Staind liking thing, but this is just fail. Staind's Dysfunction album apes Alice in Chains right and left and they're easily their most obvious influence. Alice in Chains's best material also blows Staind's out of the water. Listen to...

I used to like dysfunction a lot when I was in high school, it was a kind of cross between alice in chains and nu metal. It's still very listenable, imho. Definitely not one of my favorite albums or anything, but it definitely is light years better than stuff by limp bizkit and whatnot. Break...

SEVENDUST - ANGEL'S SON SLIPKNOT - VERMILLION STAIND - OUTSIDE :kickass::kickass::kickass::kickass:

Dunno, still works fine for me. Believe me, you're not missing anything.

That is absolutely positively one of the most horrible techno remixes of ANYTHING, EVER. I enjoy how the "bassline" they added has absolutely nothing to do with the song and is just dissonant awfulness. It's like he just ran the song's tempos through a program that generates a random generic...

It wasn't awful, but it was a lot more disjointed than the other two. 1320 is definitely a lot better. This one sounded kinda made up of bits and pieces of older songs, like I definitely heard Skin of my Teeth, Take No Prisoners, and even Train of Consequences in there. The solo section...

1320 was awesome. The last minute or so especially was just great, loved it. Headcrusher felt a little bit more sterile arch enemy/quake 2 soundtrack style (mainly in the production sound and machine gun riffs) and less classic Megadeth but was still not half bad by last 15 years of megadeth...