Amp problem (squeeling)

ItsAFugazzi

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Sometimes when I switch my Laney VH100R on it will make a squeeling noise which steadily rises up in pitch for a while then settles at a certain frequency. The squeel goes away when i switch the power off and back on. I was just ignoring this for a while but then at my last gig it happened again and i decided i should do something about it.

Any ideas if this is likely just a tube going faulty or something else? I know that you can test this by tapping on the tubes with a pencil but i dare not do this because i'm a coward around anything involving live electrical components.
 
yeah, its most likely tube failure.

And dude, don't be afraid to go in there. You won't fuck anything up, unless you do it when you're drunk and have no concern for the value or condition of your equipment. To do the microphonics thing, turn your amp on and set it as you normally would, except turn the volume control up a little more than what you'd use it at for bedroom/household levels. For some reason I'm thinking that I read that you have to set all controls to 12'o clock but I'm not sure; I would at least max out the gain, though, to help you get more response from the test.

Anyway, just do that, and then take a pencil and just poke at each preamp tube with the eraser. I like to kind of lightly flick/tap at the tube from an angle, rather than prodding it straight on, but I suppose it doesn't matter. If you hear any feedback-type noise come out from hitting a tube, then you know it's bad. You'll be able to hear the tapping against the tube coming through the speakers; this is normal. Its just that if any sustained noise rings out, then you know that you've got a bad tube.

Do this for the power amp tubes, just to be safe. When these go microphonic, though, you'll more often get a buzzy ringing noise at certain notes, rather than a sustained feedback squeel. But if you hear anything rattle inside the tube when you tap it, that also means its bad.



How old are your tubes anyway? Or how long have you had the amp? You should generally replace tubes maybe once every 2 years, depending on how often you play the amp and how hard, like if you practice with a band and play shows with any frequency; even if the tubes are still 'good' and in perfect working condition, they do lose their tonal sharpness and vibrance after a while.

There's nothing sweeter than putting in a new set of your favorite tubes and letting 'er rip....
 
Hey, xAzagthothx cheers for the excellent response.

I've just checked the preamp tubes but i didn't know that you can check the power amp tubes the same way. The second preamp tube in the gain channel makes a dull sustained ringing noise instead of a clicking noise like the tube in v1 did. I wouldn't quite describe it as feedback though.

I'll go and tap the power amp tubes in a bit (i checked the preamp tubes before i read your post). I did notice that the first power amp tube has a black stain in it but the the others don't. Is that a sign that something is up? Hope not. Not sure i can afford a quad set of power tubes right now.

My tubes are about 7 or years old but it has barely been used until the past 6 months.

Edit: Actually, i've just tapped on the preamp tubes again and the only one that makes any noise at all is the one in v1.
 
Hmm Ive never heard a rising pitch squeal from a tube before.
Ive had component failure on a PCB cause something similar though.
I think that was a cap on the way out.
 
Yeah, i think it's not the preamp tubes. A good description of the noise is that it sounds like a firework going off.

I'd take it to an amp tech/electronic engineer, except i'm having trouble finding a local one.
 
yeah, its most likely tube failure.

And dude, don't be afraid to go in there. You won't fuck anything up, unless you do it when you're drunk and have no concern for the value or condition of your equipment. To do the microphonics thing, turn your amp on and set it as you normally would, except turn the volume control up a little more than what you'd use it at for bedroom/household levels. For some reason I'm thinking that I read that you have to set all controls to 12'o clock but I'm not sure; I would at least max out the gain, though, to help you get more response from the test.




...Just bear in mind that valve amps have potentially lethal voltages, and the capacitors are still dangerous when the amp is unplugged and hasn't been used for weeks (unless you drain the caps first) so just be careful when tapping the valves.