Anti-US Government hypocrites

[Sullen Jester]

...we elect them into power to help us lead a better and more productive life...


...but in the end it is us who serves them, toiling as unknowing slaves in the machine that makes them money...

 

[Opet]

Ah yes! The good old US of A.

 

[Leper Affinity]

Originally posted by E V I L


Translation to the above quote: "Yeah, America is wealthy, but look! wealth is bad, it makes people depressed in some ways. Haha, stupid rich losers! haha you're rich i'm not, haha. Capitialism must be abolished, haha, i'm mexican!!"

now you're wrong there. wealth by itself is not a bad thing by any means. but the persue of wealth as a egocentric need where people eat each other in order to obtain material benefits is indeed a bad thing, which is leading us to an aberrant social and ecologic self-destruction. a well organized socialism could not only keep the basic and needful freedom every human being must have, but also control the wealth in order to eliminate poverty and eventually satisfy our material needs so people could finally focus on what is truly important.

It's funny. Anti-american aggressors point out to the past errors of American government as though they're saying something new, and then these intellectual-wannabes congratulate themselves as though they have just pronounced a thesis of genius. That's comical, but not funny in the way we laugh at a comedian. It's funny in the way that we laugh at a dog chasing after his tail or the village idiot slipping and falling on his own urine.

well, has to be better than just giving the stereotypical self-brainwashing excuse of "you're all just jealeous".

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Leper Affinity


now you're wrong there. wealth by itself is not a bad thing by any means. but the persue of wealth as a egocentric need where people eat each other in order to obtain material benefits is indeed a bad thing, which is leading us to an aberrant social and ecologic self-destruction. a well organized socialism could not only keep the basic and needful freedom every human being must have, but also control the wealth in order to eliminate poverty and eventually satisfy our material needs so people could finally focus on what is truly important.



well, has to be better than just giving the stereotypical self-brainwashing excuse of "you're all just jealeous".

You have a childishly myopic understanding of things, and you seem to think that if some system is at all flawed it has to be abolished and, interestingly enough, by default converted alternatively to a socialistic regime. All the while you ignore the alternate set of greater ills and pathologies such a system would breed, AND the simple fact that it would breed many of the same problems that you have erroenously attributed to "capitalism." That's silly, but I didn't expect anything more from you. Stupid is as stupid does.

I would love a utopia here on earth. No system is perfect, but I understand that "capitalism" is by far and overall the best possible and the only feasible system there is. Rather than seeking to overthrow it, we should seek to refine and enhance its foundation, its operations and its participants. In fact this an operative given within American politics, and most people already do seek to "improve the world", legislatively, politically, socially, moralistically, etc. Even Bill Gates cares about enivornmental issues, and contributes vastly to charities all over the world.

btw, about "jealousy"-- you misunderstood me on this too, but I won't bother to correct you.

 

[Sullen Jester]

Rather than seeking to overthrow it, we should seek to refine and enhance its foundation, its operations and its participants

How do we accomplish this when we are below the foundations? We never even come into the "greater picture", when those in power are concerned.

 

[Leper Affinity]

Originally posted by E V I L


You have a childishly myopic understanding of things, and you seem to think that if some system is at all flawed it has to be abolished and, interestingly enough, by default converted alternatively to a socialistic regime. All the while you ignore the alternate set of greater ills and pathologies such a system would breed, AND the simple fact that it would breed many of the same problems that you have erroenously attributed to "capitalism." That's silly, but I didn't expect anything more from you. Stupid is as stupid does.

I would love a utopia here on earth. No system is perfect, but I understand that "capitalism" is by far and overall the best possible and the only feasible system there is. Rather than seeking to overthrow it, we should seek to refine and enhance its foundation, its operations and its participants. In fact this an operative given within American politics, and most people already do seek to "improve the world", legislatively, politically, socially, moralistically, etc. Even Bill Gates cares about enivornmental issues, and contributes vastly to charities all over the world.

btw, about "jealousy"-- you misunderstood me on this too, but I won't bother to correct you.

I only state how things should be, not how they will be. It is very likely that the human race will perish before such a thing could happen. Now it is Denmark I believe the one who is starting to implement this kind of socialistic regime. By the way, it is capitalism the one thing that will actually destroy the earth. Even without the present war threat, innevitably in 5 decades this world won't be able to sustain life int he ways we know. All thanks to capitalism. So this is the best system? It is pretty fucking foolish to immediately relate socialism to slavery.

 

[Sullen Jester]

It is pretty fucking foolish to immediately relate socialism to slavery.

Anything with a leader is a form of slavery.
Oh wait, would you be a voluntary follower of mine? Or would it be the brainwashing speaking, from that lovely, hypnotic speach that I presented that won your vote?

In equality, there is no slavery.

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Leper
I only state how things should be, not how they will be. It is very likely that the human race will perish before such a thing could happen. Now it is Denmark I believe the one who is starting to implement this kind of socialistic regime. By the way, it is capitalism the one thing that will actually destroy the earth. Even without the present war threat, innevitably in 5 decades this world won't be able to sustain life int he ways we know. All thanks to capitalism. So this is the best system? It is pretty fucking foolish to immediately relate socialism to slavery.

You're given to attributive errors. That's not "capitalism" that you're lamenting. That is human nature and, to another level, human "advancement" and civilization, and at large, that is the human condition. The cure is not "socialism" of any kind. The cure is a primitivism and at the worst it's extermination. (btw, it can also be responsibility, or, to use a term forwarded by green activists, "environmental morality." We can do any number of things to counter these trends in the world, and we do, which issues are a part of our lives. Unfortunately, again, you seem to think that if anything is flawed its only course of remedy is full abolition, which is like pulling teeth out whenever they ache.)

Human beings have a penchant for being myopic when in comes to his health and welfare. But that's a "human" trait and not a trait that should be called "american." Criticize it on the proper grounds.

 

[Leper Affinity]

a human nature enhaced by capitalism in the egocentric way of longing a new TV set more than putting food in a starving child's plate.

 

[Leper Affinity]

Originally posted by Sullen Jester
It is pretty fucking foolish to immediately relate socialism to slavery.

Anything with a leader is a form of slavery.
Oh wait, would you be a voluntary follower of mine? Or would it be the brainwashing speaking, from that lovely, hypnotic speach that I presented that won your vote?

In equality, there is no slavery.

for once, socialism can be married with democracy. that's what certain countries are doing right now.

and you're wrong, there has always been slavery in equality. if not of body, then of mind.

 

[E V I L]

Originally posted by Leper Affinity
a human nature enhaced by capitalism in the egocentric way of longing a new TV set more than putting food in a starving child's plate.

Correction: a human nature resident in a wealthy society where people will generally care about they're immediate problems than about anyone else.

But what are you suggesting? If a human being gives food to the poor rather than madly obsess about buying the brand new Nin-ten-do system, how and why will he do it? Should he do it at gun point forced by some militaristic regiment headed by some guy named Leper Affinity? Will he do it because it has been enacted in the law in someway, and is imposed strict penalties for not abiding? The latter is fine (and legislatively existent) for things like pollution emissions, but for generosity?

Personally speaking I think it's people's inherent right to be assholes. But if people for whatever reason do what's right, it should be by their own will and choice. Crusade on those grounds.