As I Lay Crying - Within Destruction

[slayer666metalica]

So, i normally don't listen to metalcore--but this song i love. Funny thing is i can't play the riff for shit... i didn't even use the original song tuning, however i played them to the best of my ability--in terms of tightness between the two guitar tracks, it's pretty good... but please don't rag on me for not getting the riff exactly like the original, haha... this was mainly to test my mixing skills, so i only did certain snippets/riffs of the song that i really wanted to hammer.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3684629/fuckkinn around3.wav

I'm curious to hear comments/questions, etc--i feel like the mix is very mediocre--i.e., doesn't sound 'terrible' but could definitely use a lot of improvement at the same time. I do not have a bass guitar, so i pitch shifted a clean guitar track... came out okay, but that's the first on my gear list of things to buy. As for guitar rhythms, i used a vintage ibanez RG550, with stock pickups [cringe....] I didn't have any replacement strings for my ltd les paul so i used the next best thing i owned!

Let me know what you think... i believe this is the first time i've ever posted on here yet... so go easy!

 

[Calippo Tecks]

Guitars sound kinda like when I'm talking through my nose, they don't fit the mix.
I think what comes from your guitar sounds good, but the amp/micing (or cab impulse+amp sim) don't fit the mix.

 

[slayer666metalica]

Guitars sound kinda like when I'm talking through my nose, they don't fit the mix.
I think what comes from your guitar sounds good, but the amp/micing (or cab impulse+amp sim) don't fit the mix.

ah, thank you. haha... after some more listens i can't help but agree... after posting this i realized after doing an A/B comparison between this and the original song that my guitars were thin... sound like a can o' worms, ahah...

 

[Unavailable]

Yeah, keep working on your guitar tones. What did you use for this?

The drums sound pretty weak. The snare is really the only part of the drums that sounds okay imo.

 

[slayer666metalica]

Yeah, keep working on your guitar tones. What did you use for this?

The drums sound pretty weak. The snare is really the only part of the drums that sounds okay imo.

The drums were Addictive Drums, which i am still trying to figure entirely i might add... at the same time, i feel like switching progs.... something about AD just drives me nuts... i normally route things so i can modify the samples on separate audio tracks with my own tweaks/plugs, but even then, things still sound very.... fake? maybe that's just it...

the next mix i post, i'll hopefully have a real bass guitar and some legit drum tracks and just sample replace. I was just giving this a test run to see if i'm headed in the right direction with everything because i don't want to start tunnel thinking with how i'm mixing at the moment.

 

[cloy26]

guitar tone is pretty bad.

 

[slayer666metalica]

guitar tone is pretty bad.

it'd be much more help if you told me something other than the fact that it's just bad then please why.... Too much highs? Not enough ? More low end? Less gain? What needs fixing?

 

[carlo_caci]

sorry but in my humbe opinion, it all sounds fake. drums are completley fake sounding and the guitar has obviously gone straight into the computer and not a real amp. I think you shoulld really try to find some new pluggins like drum pluggins. in my opinion you will never get good sounding sampled cymbals - it will never beat the real thing, kick and toms are quite easy to fkae but for me its capturing the snare and cymbals in some over head mics.

of course it all boils down to money so do what you can withwhat you got but in my opinion dont tweak anythin yet just replace it with a new recording going through completley new plugins.

 

[arv_foh]

it'd be much more help if you told me something other than the fact that it's just bad then please why.... Too much highs? Not enough ? More low end? Less gain? What needs fixing?

it sounds like you took a 4x12, threw a blanket over it, then recorded it. they are just really muffled sounding. there is a lot of lows but really not enough everything else... lo mids could use a little bump to give them some body besides just low end.. and there are not enough highs and hi mids, which is where your clarity comes from

 

[slayer666metalica]

it sounds like you took a 4x12, threw a blanket over it, then recorded it. they are just really muffled sounding. there is a lot of lows but really not enough everything else... lo mids could use a little bump to give them some body besides just low end.. and there are not enough highs and hi mids, which is where your clarity comes from

Hey--i appreciate your elaboration.. this helps a lot! I know it sounds pretty crappy after giving it more listens for my ears to digest against the real song...

I really hope to get a REAL bass guitar soon, so then i can try and rule the fact that the bass track is shit out of the equation. Other than that, i have REALLY been working on my mic placement all week,... i watched about an hour video on guitar cab micing basics from a guy at another forum... lots of good stuff, and i think i've finally gotten my cab dual mic'd with sm57's, that are actually in phase. ...I think my biggest problem was that in that recording i posted; the mic's were not even phase coherent.

Hopefully i can re-vamp the song, but i just wanted to give things a test run. I'll work on my guitar tone for sure, and i'll try and find a more suitable drum vst... i do know a real drummer, but the problem is that he is simply LAZY. I'll tell the guy to record something so i can practice mixing and stuff, and it simply never happens, and if at all: once in a blue moon....

If anything else counts--I'm recording through a presonus firepod and i use Mackie MR8 Studio Monitors. I'm not sure what kind of sounds other people are getting through this same unit [the firepod], but I just wanted to double check that this is suitable enough. I'm guessing it's capabilites are far beyond my skills or lack there of at the moment--but if anyone has objections to my setup i'd love to hear 'em.

 

[cliftonmiles]

is this an amp simulator?

If so you need to bring down the gain and treble and presence quite a bit. It just sounds like paper then, it needs body.

If its a mic and an amp, which I doubt, then you need to move your mic to a more direct position and play with the knobs to get a sound that isn't so thin.

The snare sounds okay, but everything else needs to match...It needs a balance.