Bruce running his mouth

The only bands that get a show with "dignity" in the U.S. are bands who do a 300 person venue. Bands like Kreator, destruction, metal church, even halford.
Really I don't know what the hell is up with the U.S. crowd too many non oldschool kids looking like they dont give a shiet. At 600 person venues here, I am one of the rowdiest and that shouldn't be, I am not even that big to withstand the chaos of the frontline, but I am having a great time headbanging and side banging the hell out while people around me are just standing there and I don't see many focusing on the actual notes being played. Some guys even get annoyed at me for being so damn rowdy, tough luck people, its a damn metal concert.
 
Even is Bruce is right, I don't think this is a very professional attitude.

Because of this he is alienating a large part of his well meaning fans. I mean come on, what the added value of comments like this, when Americans are being slagged almost everywhere you go?

If what he is saying is true; why not accept it as a matter of fact and move on? I myself, am pretty critical about the 'metal' industry and media in the US but why take it out on the people that have come to see you at a local gig or Ozzfest?

I have the idea that US metal fans are now between a rock and a hard place. They get shit upon and ignored by the media and the so called 'metal industry' in general and now by Bruce. You simply can not dictate peoples values or preferences. Its a matter of accepting the situation as a given or not play the US. But complaining about it surly will not help. It will only alienate you from your potential future audience.

Chances are that he is already under pressure to take his words back.
 
I was not talking about money. I was talking about alienating and insulting your fans. I don't think thats a wise move.
 
Generalizations do nothing but tick off the people that would support you. I thought Bruce was smarter than that. I've made the spoon-fed comment myself but definitely not to lump metal fans in with the mainstream. If I took his comments to heart I'd feel like I'd just been stabbed in the back.

The corporatization of the US is what it is. I buy local as much as possible but the fact is that it's just not all that possible anymore. Every grocery store here is a national chain. Why pick nits between Wal Mart, Safeway, and Kroger?
 
One fact that has to me remebered: true fans buy records, true fans go to concerts. So hits or no hits, 300 or 6000 the band owe to the fans the same way we want to owe to the band. Metal is symbiotic IMO.

I have seen many bands (even American) bashing US audiences vrs South America, Asia or Europe. To me is a risky business that can lead to less attention next tour.
 
I just know he isn't talking about us. It can be that way in Los Angeles as there are so many musicians that go to show and some have the "I'm too cool to headbang ego" pfffffffffft on them It often does come across though as a "lame" audiance. but again...they aren't talking about Pabla and I, cuz we are headbanging, horn throwing, masses of hair when we're out! :headbang: :headbang:
 
Bruce is probably just annoyed at the Ozzfest crowd. He had probably never seen something like that. Bunch of mallcore kids are pretty damn annoying. He probably wouldn't have said that about the U.S. fans supporting their last tour with Dio and Motorhead.
 
The saYer said:
Bruce is probably just annoyed at the Ozzfest crowd. He had probably never seen something like that. Bunch of mallcore kids are pretty damn annoying. He probably wouldn't have said that about the U.S. fans supporting their last tour with Dio and Motorhead.

That's true, but there's another thing as well...
He was talking about "great performances of their classics" and someone replied on Blabbermouth "why don't they play Rime Of The Ancient Mariner and see the reaction instead of sticking to the worn out hit songs" and that's sooo true...
Maiden really annoy me for some time with their always-the-same setlist. That's why I'm really looking forward to the next Powerslave-SIT-SSOTSS tour, there'll be no TNOTN, RTTH or Trooper, weeehaaa! :Spin:
 
I was wondering if someone would post this. To be truthful, I agree with everything he says. America moves from one "trend," to the next way too fast. Metal is still vital, but the MTV generation etc. are really into pepsi-corporate music now. Even when it is music of substance, it comes and goes too fast. A Rolling Stones, or U2, for instance, could probably never really happen now. That is to say, a band that is successful and dominant throughout its career.
The metal scene, sad to say, is basically dead in America. It's up to us stalwarts to show at all. Further, I think Brave New World was awesome; a new take on Maiden. Everybody on the net just bitched about it though, because it wasn't Piece of Mind or whatever. Mind you, the quality was there, it was just different. He was DEAD on when he said that The Grateful Dead could never happen now (whom I love). Waaaaay too "arty," for people.

I agree with Bruce, and while I'm here in America, and I care, I don't blame him for thinking America is hardly worth playing anymore. I see the slack-jawed radio fed folks that come to the metal shows (mostly) and they always bitch on the way out about what they didn't play. The only scene left is waaaay underground. I saw The Lord Weird Sough Feg this year, and hardly anybody went, an awesome local metal band. I saw Opeth last year a couple times, and while some folks came, it was not the turnout they deserved, I thought.

Metal is dead in America.
 
I just find it hilarious that he's complaining about Corporate America while on the Ozzfest tour, which is about as corporate as you can get.

Their setlist this tour is just not that impressive. It's the same older songs they've done on the last 2 tours, plus Running Free, Phantom, and Sanctuary, which we've all heard live a million times before. What was impressive is that when Sabbath cancelled Wednesday, Maiden added Prowler, Murders..., Another Life, and I think Die With Your Boots On to the set. That's the stuff I expected on this tour (although if you want to be picky, they played DWYBO 2 summers ago). :p

I agree with some of the stuff about the US crowds, but more with Wyvern and Hawk that this was not a smart move. I, for one, feel the above mentioned "stab in the back." :mad:
 
I think Die With Your Boots On to the set. That's the stuff I expected on this tour (although if you want to be picky, they played DWYBO 2 summers ago). :p no complaints from me on that one...a fave for the memories
 
hey now, i just turned 14, and i must be one of the rare exceptions to your "teeny boppers" theory, heh heh. :headbang:


im not posing or nothing here, but i honestly like every maiden song and album (npftd, virtual xi, anything) better than anything by any other band. :headbang: that should say enough. if not, go read my thread on the IMBB...my names Fugitive91 (i forget if i said that already but i dont wanna hit the 'back' key to check then retype this all)
 
Well worded Dodens, and don't take offense No-mercy....EVERYBODY knows generalizations are just that, and so you shouldn't take it to heart. Still, there are a bunch of accurate things in Dodens words. Seriously. You say it well....and frankly, that's pretty much what I think Bruce was trying to say. When you read it, more or less, as a blurb, then it can't help come across as a polar statement - accurate or no - Bru e's statment I mean.

Still, those ARE the groups I see at shows, and that is why the metal scene is dead, give or take. Really, in a sense though, it's still pretty cool because you don't have to see, say, Nevermore in a stadium atmosphere (Gigantour aside of course). Personally, I like the clubs, but they do prove, more or less, that the scene is dead. The band play the clubs because that is all the room they need for an audience. Really, to be darn right conspiritorial and bitter about it, this is all Clear Channel's fault. Ha.
 
These are largely grouped into two categories: the teeny boppers and the old-timers.
if not for the old timers Maiden would'nt be Maiden

hey now, i just turned 14, and i must be one of the rare exceptions to your "teeny boppers" theory, heh heh.
and 1/2 the board here the old timers

However, I support Bruce on his stance here indefinitely. I could not possibly agree with him more, because I know personally exactly what he's talking about.
Not to be rude or anything but you're born in 87...shit in 87 we were in Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica pits..whiplash at 40 isn't gone the next day anymore. I meet plenty of us old schoolers in the pits, I'm not thru moshing yet! :hotjump:

I feel you are a supporter of their (any band) business whether you buy the music once or for a lifetime, if you go to any show and act how you want headbanging, passed out or just a bump on a log...you still support their business. It's not often a wise move to complain about your fan base anywhere, especially when you are talking about people who are attending your show. Die hard Maiden fans will always be die hard whether they are 14 ('sup No Mercy) or 40. with that said
7 MORE DAYS TILL MAIDEN TAKE OVER DENVER
 
ElectricWiz said:
I was wondering if someone would post this. To be truthful, I agree with everything he says. America moves from one "trend," to the next way too fast. Metal is still vital, but the MTV generation etc. are really into pepsi-corporate music now. Even when it is music of substance, it comes and goes too fast. A Rolling Stones, or U2, for instance, could probably never really happen now. That is to say, a band that is successful and dominant throughout its career.
The metal scene, sad to say, is basically dead in America. It's up to us stalwarts to show at all. Further, I think Brave New World was awesome; a new take on Maiden. Everybody on the net just bitched about it though, because it wasn't Piece of Mind or whatever. Mind you, the quality was there, it was just different. He was DEAD on when he said that The Grateful Dead could never happen now (whom I love). Waaaaay too "arty," for people.

I agree with Bruce, and while I'm here in America, and I care, I don't blame him for thinking America is hardly worth playing anymore. I see the slack-jawed radio fed folks that come to the metal shows (mostly) and they always bitch on the way out about what they didn't play. The only scene left is waaaay underground. I saw The Lord Weird Sough Feg this year, and hardly anybody went, an awesome local metal band. I saw Opeth last year a couple times, and while some folks came, it was not the turnout they deserved, I thought.

Metal is dead in America.

As usual, I agree 100% with ElecWiz. Every word in this post is accurate, IMO.