How much of an amazing album would Crazy Nights have been if they had've dropped the two weakest tracks, definitely No No No and either Bang Bang You or Good Girl Gone Bad, and replaced them with Time Traveller and Sword & Stone!?!?!? Two of the best songs KISS ever wrote and they didn't make the album, they would have been by far the best 2 songs on the album along with Reason To Live!!
Crazy Nights
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Lord Tim
That guy from LORD
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree with Trent! And in a KISS thread, no less!
Oh God, what have I done?
Oh God, what have I done?
Spiff
I have the power
Icarus
Shamone
Kem
Very cynical
YARRRRRRRRRR!
Liked that pirate intro on Saturday night there Tim. As Russell Coight would say, top stuff!
Liked that pirate intro on Saturday night there Tim. As Russell Coight would say, top stuff!
Lord Tim
That guy from LORD
Wrathchild
Miserable Bastard
Crazy Nights would have much better if it went a little something like this:
THE PRODUCERS: Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Michael James Jackson
SIDE ONE:
1. Crazy Crazy Nights (Paul)
2. I'll Fight Hell To Hold You (Paul)
3. Nobody's Perfect (Gene)
4. Sword And Stone (Paul)
5. Nightmare (Eric)
6. No No No (Gene)
SIDE TWO:
1. When Your Walls Come Down (Paul)
2. Hell or High Water (Gene)
3. Reason To Live (Paul)
4. Dial L For Love (Eric)
5. Good Girl Gone Bad (Gene)
6. Are You Always This Hot? (Gene)
Swap the keyboards for extra guitar tracks, get a heavier drum sound and make sure everyone plays their assigned instruments instead of making Bruce do everything and you have a near-perfect 80s KISS album. That is all.
W
THE PRODUCERS: Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Michael James Jackson
SIDE ONE:
1. Crazy Crazy Nights (Paul)
2. I'll Fight Hell To Hold You (Paul)
3. Nobody's Perfect (Gene)
4. Sword And Stone (Paul)
5. Nightmare (Eric)
6. No No No (Gene)
SIDE TWO:
1. When Your Walls Come Down (Paul)
2. Hell or High Water (Gene)
3. Reason To Live (Paul)
4. Dial L For Love (Eric)
5. Good Girl Gone Bad (Gene)
6. Are You Always This Hot? (Gene)
Swap the keyboards for extra guitar tracks, get a heavier drum sound and make sure everyone plays their assigned instruments instead of making Bruce do everything and you have a near-perfect 80s KISS album. That is all
.W
Icarus
Shamone
Spiff
I have the power
Wrathy, you can't improve on perfection, which is what Crazy Nights is. YOU FOOL.
I'm not familiar with these extra songs everyone keeps bandying about.
I'm not familiar with these extra songs everyone keeps bandying about.
Gotta heavily disagree with EVERYTHING there almost Wrathy!!! No way should Michael James Jackson or Gene Simmons have produced it! I wouldn't want Crazy Nights to sound like Creatures or Lick It Up! As much as I like those albums, that production would NOT suit a melodic album like Crazy Nights as much as Ron Nevison's slick production, and the keyboards CANNOT go! They are great!
And how could you get rid of My Way and Turn On The Night? But even think about keeping No No No! The only redeeming feature of that song is the guitar intro but once that's over its one of the worst songs KISS ever wrote! The only track I skip on the album.
I reckon Crazy Nights sound just FINE the way it is.... but the tracklisting should have gone like this:
Crazy Crazy Nights (Paul)
I'll Fight Hell To Hold You (Paul)
Bang Bang You (Paul)
Sword & Stone (Paul)
Hell Or High Water (Gene)
My Way (Paul)
When Your Walls Come Down (Paul)
Reason To Live (Paul)
Time Traveller (Paul)
Turn On The Night (Paul)
Thief In The Night (Gene)
God that was a strong era for Paul Stanley... and a weak one for Gene! But those 2 songs he did on Crazy Nights are great.
And how could you get rid of My Way and Turn On The Night? But even think about keeping No No No! The only redeeming feature of that song is the guitar intro but once that's over its one of the worst songs KISS ever wrote! The only track I skip on the album.
I reckon Crazy Nights sound just FINE the way it is.... but the tracklisting should have gone like this:
Crazy Crazy Nights (Paul)
I'll Fight Hell To Hold You (Paul)
Bang Bang You (Paul)
Sword & Stone (Paul)
Hell Or High Water (Gene)
My Way (Paul)
When Your Walls Come Down (Paul)
Reason To Live (Paul)
Time Traveller (Paul)
Turn On The Night (Paul)
Thief In The Night (Gene)
God that was a strong era for Paul Stanley... and a weak one for Gene! But those 2 songs he did on Crazy Nights are great.
Wrathchild
Miserable Bastard
"I wouldn't want Crazy Nights to sound like Creatures or Lick It Up!"
Why on Earth not? Every 80s KISS album should have sounded as good as those two, then that era would get a lot more attention.
"and the keyboards CANNOT go! They are great!"
FAH! I snort and wave my hand dismissively in your general direction. Keyboards and KISS do not mix. Their sound was always about crunchy guitars and lots of 'em. To water it down with keyboards just reduces them to yet another 80s hair band. You and I both know KISS were much more than that.
"And how could you get rid of My Way and Turn On The Night?"
Because they're filler and I don't like them. No No No, on the other hand, rules. It's Fits Like A Glove souped up with a dash of Van Halen style speed playing.
While I'm having such a good time ruffling people's feathers, here is the record KISS should have made after Lick It Up, following a year off in which Gene got all the Hollywood crap out of his system and was able to concentrate on the band again.
The 1985 album:
Producers: Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Michael James Jackson
SIDE ONE
1. King of the Mountain (Paul)
2. Heaven's On Fire (Paul)
3. Burn Bitch Burn (Gene)
4. Who Wants To Be Lonely (Paul)
5. Any Way You Slice It (Gene)
SIDE TWO
1. Tears Are Falling (Paul)
2. Trial By Fire (Gene)
3. Get All You Can Take (Paul)
4. Secretly Cruel (Gene)
5. Thief In The Night (Gene)
*sits back and imagines smoke billowing out of Trent's ears*
W
Why on Earth not? Every 80s KISS album should have sounded as good as those two, then that era would get a lot more attention.
"and the keyboards CANNOT go! They are great!"
FAH! I snort and wave my hand dismissively in your general direction. Keyboards and KISS do not mix. Their sound was always about crunchy guitars and lots of 'em. To water it down with keyboards just reduces them to yet another 80s hair band. You and I both know KISS were much more than that.
"And how could you get rid of My Way and Turn On The Night?"
Because they're filler and I don't like them
. No No No, on the other hand, rules. It's Fits Like A Glove souped up with a dash of Van Halen style speed playing.While I'm having such a good time ruffling people's feathers, here is the record KISS should have made after Lick It Up, following a year off in which Gene got all the Hollywood crap out of his system and was able to concentrate on the band again.
The 1985 album:
Producers: Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Michael James Jackson
SIDE ONE
1. King of the Mountain (Paul)
2. Heaven's On Fire (Paul)
3. Burn Bitch Burn (Gene)
4. Who Wants To Be Lonely (Paul)
5. Any Way You Slice It (Gene)
SIDE TWO
1. Tears Are Falling (Paul)
2. Trial By Fire (Gene)
3. Get All You Can Take (Paul)
4. Secretly Cruel (Gene)
5. Thief In The Night (Gene)
*sits back and imagines smoke billowing out of Trent's ears*
W
Spiff
I have the power
Why is nobody answering my question? Not that it was a question, really, but it was a statement which invited a response. Sort of.
Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
Wrathy you're killing me here!!!!!
I agree that Creatures and Lick It Up are unreal albums, but that hard edged production would NOT suit the songwriting on Crazy Nights, and also the keyboards may have watered down the sound but they didn't reduce the band to anything less because they WORKED so well! Creatures & Lick It Up have their place in Kisstory, but so do Animalize, Asylum and Crazy Nights!
To me, KISS is a band who has (probably more successfully than anyone else) always evolved and adapted with the changing rock scenes but always still kept the KISS vibe and sounded uniquely KISS. Creatures & Lick It Up was KISS playing with the early '80s heavy metal sound. Animalize & Asylum was KISS playing with mid '80s sleaze/hair metal sound. Crazy Nights was KISS adapting to the late '80s Jovi/Leppard melodic pop-metal sound. And you know what? They did all of them well and were still above the general standard for bands in that era (well excluding most of the Gene Simmons songs in that era, but luckily there wasn't many of them).
Oh and if I was gonna mix Animalize & Asylum together, it would go something like this:
King Of The Mountain
Heaven's On Fire
Who Wants To Be Lonely
Get All You Can Take
Tears Are Falling
I've Had Enough (Into The Fire)
Under The Gun
Radar For Love
Thrills In The Night
Uh! All Night
Gene can be totally forgotten during those 2 albums because the only good song he contributed to them was While The City Sleeps. I can't believe you would put Burn Bitch Burn and Anyway You Slice It On there! Both awful tracks! Burn Bitch Burn is the worst on Animalize!
I agree that Creatures and Lick It Up are unreal albums, but that hard edged production would NOT suit the songwriting on Crazy Nights, and also the keyboards may have watered down the sound but they didn't reduce the band to anything less because they WORKED so well! Creatures & Lick It Up have their place in Kisstory, but so do Animalize, Asylum and Crazy Nights!
To me, KISS is a band who has (probably more successfully than anyone else) always evolved and adapted with the changing rock scenes but always still kept the KISS vibe and sounded uniquely KISS. Creatures & Lick It Up was KISS playing with the early '80s heavy metal sound. Animalize & Asylum was KISS playing with mid '80s sleaze/hair metal sound. Crazy Nights was KISS adapting to the late '80s Jovi/Leppard melodic pop-metal sound. And you know what? They did all of them well and were still above the general standard for bands in that era (well excluding most of the Gene Simmons songs in that era, but luckily there wasn't many of them).
Oh and if I was gonna mix Animalize & Asylum together, it would go something like this:
King Of The Mountain
Heaven's On Fire
Who Wants To Be Lonely
Get All You Can Take
Tears Are Falling
I've Had Enough (Into The Fire)
Under The Gun
Radar For Love
Thrills In The Night
Uh! All Night
Gene can be totally forgotten during those 2 albums because the only good song he contributed to them was While The City Sleeps. I can't believe you would put Burn Bitch Burn and Anyway You Slice It On there! Both awful tracks! Burn Bitch Burn is the worst on Animalize!
Spiff
I have the power
Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
Spiff
I have the power
Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
I tried to post a sample of Time Traveller in response but the FTP commander thing I use wouldn't let me connect to my server
Wrathchild
Miserable Bastard
For Spiffo, extra song details:
Sword And Stone/Time Traveller: Paul songs written with Desmond Child around 86/87. Both were submitted for Crazy Nights but Ron Nevison didn't like 'em. Sword And Stone would later be covered by the German band Bonfire on the soundtrack to Shocker.
Nobody's Perfect: Excellent Gene demo from 1985 or thereabouts.
Are You Always This Hot?: Gene song written with Adam Mitchell. It was fully recorded for Crazy Nights but left off at the last minute.
Nightmare: Eric Carr demo co-written with Bruce Kulick and Adam Mitchell. Unfortunately never finished, but you can find a version of it on Eric's posthumous Rockology CD
Dial L For Love: Another Eric track co-written with Gene and Adam Mitchell. Never got past the instrumental stage as far as I know, but I'd love to have heard the whole thing.
Trent, you're quite mad, dear boy. Burn Bitch Burn is classic apart from the title and Any Way You Slice It is *far* superior to While The City Sleeps. I'm quite fond of Murder In High Heels too now I think about it...
W
Sword And Stone/Time Traveller: Paul songs written with Desmond Child around 86/87. Both were submitted for Crazy Nights but Ron Nevison didn't like 'em. Sword And Stone would later be covered by the German band Bonfire on the soundtrack to Shocker.
Nobody's Perfect: Excellent Gene demo from 1985 or thereabouts.
Are You Always This Hot?: Gene song written with Adam Mitchell. It was fully recorded for Crazy Nights but left off at the last minute.
Nightmare: Eric Carr demo co-written with Bruce Kulick and Adam Mitchell. Unfortunately never finished, but you can find a version of it on Eric's posthumous Rockology CD
Dial L For Love: Another Eric track co-written with Gene and Adam Mitchell. Never got past the instrumental stage as far as I know, but I'd love to have heard the whole thing.
Trent, you're quite mad, dear boy
. Burn Bitch Burn is classic apart from the title and Any Way You Slice It is *far* superior to While The City Sleeps. I'm quite fond of Murder In High Heels too now I think about it... W
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