Engl Blackmore djent test.

Is that your 5150 ? Its not the sort of guitar tone I would normally crave for but that bass sound seems to really make it work. Really dark and dense is it played or sequenced?
Anyway the bass is killer.
Would love to learn how you shaped it.
 
doesn't sound tight enough for djent *sadface.jpg* I think the blackmore just is a little bit of a loose amp
 
It might not be the djentiest clip ever, but cmon dudes - that's a pretty sick clip regardless...
 
Full_Tilt said:
Is that your 5150 ? Its not the sort of guitar tone I would normally crave for but that bass sound seems to really make it work. Really dark and dense is it played or sequenced?
Anyway the bass is killer.
Would love to learn how you shaped it.
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The thread's title is "ENGL BLACKMORE djent test"......could it be the 5150?
 
Does anyone know what tightness "is"? Why are some amps tighter than others? What causes tightness? Normally like on drums, I define tightness as the "length" of the low frequencies, say on a kick drum for example. Gojira's The Way of All Flesh has a really tight kick drum because the sustain is kind of short where some 80's rock band with a very booooomy kick drum has a loose or untight kick drum. But on guitars, I think of tightness as something in the highs (still in the lows too, but the highs are more defining for the "tightness" by my definition). I imagine tightness as the "length" between the peaks and valleys of the waveform, or how dense the peaks are or something. It's just what I imagine in my mind when I hear a guitar tone =) And some tones are VERY tight which makes the high end a lot smoother and I imagine that as a very "dense" peak and valley relation as opposed to an old school amp with a very "scratchy" and untight high end which I imagine as less dense in the highs.

Man, I don't even understand what I just wrote myself so I'm not really expecting anyone to... haha =) To sum it up; What the hell is tightness and what technical aspect of the amp causes tightness?
 
Erkan said:
To sum it up; What the hell is tightness and what technical aspect of the amp causes tightness?
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Rectification, whether it be via tube, or diode (silicon in most cases), is what causes "tightness" in an amp the most, I would say.

I could be wrong, but AFAIK this is the explanation:

Tubes do not respond as quickly to voltage as a a solid state diode does, so the amplifier "sags" with tubes. Diodes respond so quickly that the amp remains tight.

The quality and winding of the output transformer of the amp, which is the final stage in turning the signal inside the amp into something that can be run into the speaker, also plays a huge roll.

The "focusedness" of the circuit matters a lot. In general, an amp that has high q values for its EQ pots will make more of a "defined" sound. The attenuation or amplification of the frequencies will be more precise.
 
lolzgreg said:
Rectification, whether it be via tube, or diode (silicon in most cases), is what causes "tightness" in an amp the most, I would say.

I could be wrong, but AFAIK this is the explanation:

Tubes do not respond as quickly to voltage as a a solid state diode does, so the amplifier "sags" with tubes. Diodes respond so quickly that the amp remains tight.

The quality and winding of the output transformer of the amp, which is the final stage in turning the signal inside the amp into something that can be run into the speaker, also plays a huge roll.

The "focusedness" of the circuit matters a lot. In general, an amp that has high q values for its EQ pots will make more of a "defined" sound. The attenuation or amplification of the frequencies will be more precise.
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Oooh, it's been a while since I read a post this interesting, seriously. I have always wondered about tightness and "where it comes from" and I have always looked for tightness in amp sims and stuff but they all seem to sound the same when it comes to tightness. I have not come across any amp sim that is any tighter than the others, with the exception of Steinberg's WarpVST which is actually a really cool amp once you get the mids up on the Warp Channel (it's not enough to simply turn the mids to full on the amp itself, I had to do a lot of other stuff to bring in the needed mids because it is SO scooped). Anyhow, that amp has a very different high end character than any other amp sim I have toyed around with and it has made me wonder why and how it is like that.

Hell, if I was good enough at programming to program amps, I would aim for making a TIGHT AS A M******F***NG MOUSE C*NT tight amp =) I wonder what the technical limitations of tightness are though... how tight can you make an amp and what would it sound like when you reach the limit? Very interesting thoughts.. ^^
 
lekteri said:
Playing was sloppy.
Midi bass from sample tank's soft synth.

I just cant get djent out of my Engl Blackmore
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i didn't mean insinuate your playing is sloppy, your always tight lol!

i was asking because in your sd2.0 preset all the toms start from the right..and the hats are on the right.
 
Wow dude - that sounds like a completely different clip. Is the pickup the only thing that changed (identical amp settings, etc). If so, I'm grabbing one of those bad boys TODAY! I never knew a pickup swap could cause that big of a difference.

Sounds great.

Bobby
 
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