When you guys do a fade out at the end of a track do you automate the limiter ceiling or do you fade out in your DAW? Or is there another way I'm not thinking of? haha
Fade outs
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Tommy Evans
Member
I never automate a limiter for that kind of thing. I'll either put a fade on the whole track or automate the volume of the track. Usually a fade sounds better.
schwinginbatman
It's shittay!
Fades sound better to me, personally. It's just easy to mess up. I find the part I want the song to end at, and cut the track off there. Most songs tend to fade out entirely before it actually ends, and just fading at the end sounds funky.
amarshism
Member
But master bus fx are post fader. So even though you're fading, the limiter scan still be bringing up level. I've been thinking of automating limiter ceiling for this very reason.
bryan_kilco
Member
On this subject.....I've never really utilized a long fade out in a song that I know of, but .... just putting a really long crossfade, is that "normal" or would that not work/be "wrong"?
This is the reason I asked, I was thinking I'd have to bounce everything and then do the fade afterwards, which sounds a lot more complicated than just automating it
Lowberg
Member
I usually just print the final mix and then manually fade out the bounced track in another session and then re bounce lolol
In Cubase the 1st 6 insert slots are pre-fader, slot 7 and 8 are post.
I have done a couple of different ways, automating the master bus fader down (my limiter goes in slot 6, so it's pre-fader), and just applying the fade to the stereo mixdown WAV file.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Print track, fade in arranging.
Or automate the 2bus fader if you're in a daw where FX are pre-fader, I know Cubase is like this.
I can't be the only one, though - I've maybe once in my life felt that a fadeout was more than a copout for writing a good ending.
Or automate the 2bus fader if you're in a daw where FX are pre-fader, I know Cubase is like this.
I can't be the only one, though - I've maybe once in my life felt that a fadeout was more than a copout for writing a good ending.
It depends on the song, to me. Like lots of effects like glitches or whammy dives and stuff you can use it as a bandaid to fix bad songwriting, but sometimes there are songs where it's used really tastefully. Songs like Floods by Pantera come to mind, I think it's a great outro and the effect of the fade out makes it really stay with you. Admittedly it's usually done to worse effect rather than better though
Zack Uidl
Member
I do what the other Cubase dudes have said. It is really simple that way.
I hear you Jeff, I have heard songs and said to myself "really, you could have taken this song here and it would have been a way better ending"...but who knows what song-writers are thinking. There are definitely some awesome songs where the fade out is appropriate.
I hear you Jeff, I have heard songs and said to myself "really, you could have taken this song here and it would have been a way better ending"...but who knows what song-writers are thinking. There are definitely some awesome songs where the fade out is appropriate.
egan.
daylightdies.com
I'd do the fades when arranging the disk. It avoids issues with processing and also what comes next can inform your fade choice. I think fade outs are fine...now fade ins OTOH.....
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
I found the best way to handle this is to track at least 4 ripping guitar solos, automate them to slowly come in before the fadeout starts, then fade all tracks but the solos down with the solos being faded a little bit later to really drive the listeners attention further into the fades. When everything is almost done, just add a huge fucking subdrop and end it immediately. Very effective.
or whatever.
or whatever.
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
BUT SRSLY.
I think it's best to plan where the song will actually cut off (like right before the drummer's throne squeaks or someone forgets your tracking and says some dumb shit), cut your tracks there, then just add the fade later when you are doing your mastering janky jank. If your just doing a quick demo/test mix, i don't think it's that big of a deal to fade individual tracks or master track whatever, just remember that it's not the final fade.
I think it's best to plan where the song will actually cut off (like right before the drummer's throne squeaks or someone forgets your tracking and says some dumb shit), cut your tracks there, then just add the fade later when you are doing your mastering janky jank. If your just doing a quick demo/test mix, i don't think it's that big of a deal to fade individual tracks or master track whatever, just remember that it's not the final fade.
John_C
formerly Skeksis268
What a strange idea...
So the master fader is really a trim control?
That's not how it works in Reaper, is this standard in other DAWs? (I don't remember this being the case in Soundscape or Cubase sx2)
tempe
Captain Midnight
Always fade post limiter, either fade in whatever program your sequencing in or simply apply the fades to the printed master then import them for sequencing. I've heard a few people say to do it post dither as well, I think it has something to do with the level of the noise floor but I'm no mastering engineer!
Sacha
Throbbing Member
Yeah I believe this is because if you apply any processing post dither, the DAW will apply the processing at the standard bit rate (24 or 32 bit) so you need to dither again technically.
same here. sometimes i often apply a second fadeout on the "normal" fadeout to make it even smoother in the very end.
