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Wyvern

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Blame it on the Dukes but the price of a basic Charger SE 500 in mint condition has seen a 29-percent increase from $43,900 six months ago to $61,600 today, while a mint condition 1969 Dodge Charger R/T’s price is up 64 percent so far this year, jumping from $28,200 in January to $43,900 in July.

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It's time to make the investment :grin:
 
And you must know I sold a '69 RT 5 years ago for 15.000$ !!!!! (I punish myselve often with that stupid move :cry: )
BTW, the toy model you show there is a 1970 model, from the movie "fast and furious". I had a 1974 Charger with about the same look (see pic), another stupid sale of me :-)
Well, I have a nice '68 Dodge Dart now, and I'm building a very fast 360 (5.9 liter) engine for it. And no...it's NOT for sale , I just hope fuel prices won't rise any more :confused:

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carnut said:
I just hope fuel prices won't rise any more :confused:
you should be glad you don't live over here! It's becoming outrageous! Luxemburg is 30 cents per liter cheaper... Holland's benzine is the most expensive in entire Europe for god's sake :(
 
Griffin- said:
you should be glad you don't live over here! It's becoming outrageous! Luxemburg is 30 cents per liter cheaper... Holland's benzine is the most expensive in entire Europe for god's sake :(

Fat chance to dream. Gas is going up and up courtesy of the big oil companies and the terrorists/thieves in OPEC.

Here we are going to hit ~ $3.20/gal, and if you consider that a decent salary is ~ $1047/month, well do the math :erk:

Either we start with solar energy, hydrogen cells, electric engines or we're very much f***ed up for life.
 
Griffin- said:
you should be glad you don't live over here! It's becoming outrageous! Luxemburg is 30 cents per liter cheaper... Holland's benzine is the most expensive in entire Europe for god's sake :(

Price in Belgium and Holland is almost exact the same ... Checked last week. Diesel fuel is more expensive in Holland....I'm switching to LPG for my daily driver in a few weeks, will save me 250$ a month !!!!
 
Wyvern said:
Fat chance to dream. Gas is going up and up courtesy of the big oil companies and the terrorists/thieves in OPEC.

This is simply not true. 2/3 are Hollands gas prices are Government taxes, duty's and even more taxes. The biggest part of the rising *gas prices* almost everywhere are tax driven by government that accepts the ludicrous green agenda.

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Translation:

Belasting is taxes 19%


Accijns en andere heffingen means duty and other taxes 44%

A total of 65%!


Product prijs means product price 35%


See here:

http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

Read especially the part called: 'OPEC's Failure to Control Crude Oil Prices'

Were market prices are reacting on crisis in the Middle East the rise in oil prices is not high enough to cause trouble without the additional taxes that governments slap on the total price.

So what I am saying is that the rise in the market oil prices is well within normal market fluctuations and would not be problematic if governments would keep their greedy hands of our gas.

OPEC is doing everything to keep the prices low! See here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4133702.stm

Quote:

"*Oil producers body, Opec, has acted to try and cool prices by raising output by 300,000 barrels a day over the last two weeks.*

However, analysts said that this was likely to have little impact amid continuing geopolitical worries and feverish demand for oil worldwide.

Analysts estimate that only 1.5 million barrels of spare production capacity remain in the global oil market, leaving the market less flexibility to respond to sudden supply needs.

"We have just got a continuation of an upward trend," said Tom Bentz, an oil analyst with BNP Commodity Futures.

"There is no sign that it will be stopping any time soon."

And here:

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3238988

Quote:

"This week, the oil price touched $50 per barrel for the first time, *not because of terrorism in the Middle East but because of gangsterism in Nigeria.* A combination of past under-investment and current political strife has left producers struggling to keep up with demand"


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"The IEA itself believes this tension will soon pass. *OPEC, it points out, is now doing its best to keep prices down and will do better as new fields come on line.* [/size][/font]



The biggest problem for a stable low market oil price in the future will be the growing demand of China for energy. Our planet is filled to its core with energy, including 1000s of tons of oil, so their is no absolute shortage.

The problem is that getting to the oil is getting expensive. One reason is that area's that have large oil supply's have been close to oil winning because of environmental laws.

Thus part of the relative shortage is artificial. When the time comes that it will be to expensive to win oil it will become profitable to look for and develop alternatives. And I don't mean sun or wind energy. These forms of 'energy' are simply not efficient enough for large scale use.

As economist Jullian Simon used to say: The ultimate resource is mans mind.
 
Here gas taxes are high as any country but they're not the main reason of the high price. Maybe in Holland is different, but here we are screwed by importing all our gasoline and derivatives.

No green agenda, no government conspiracy, just oil imperialism from the producers and distributors.
 
Wyvern said:
Here gas taxes are high as any country but they're not the main reason of the high price.

Could you give me some more and better info? What how big or small part of your gas prioces consists of the different taxes? Is there no oil in your country's soil? Were do you import from? What is the extra costs for importing? You don't give much info.

Wyvern said:
Maybe in Holland is different, but here we are screwed by importing all our gasoline and derivatives.

Maybe??? What do you mean Maybe? The figures I have given you come from our ministry of finance. Do you doubt them? :err:

Wyvern said:
No green agenda, no government conspiracy, just oil imperialism from the producers and distributors.

Wait a second... were did I say it was a government conspiracy? Could you show me that?

And could you substantiate what you claim here? Have any links or articles?
As you see I have done my best to show you what I mean and given links and articles to make things clearer. Have you even read them? Are you now going to shout some slogans ans leave it at that? :hypno:
 
In doing some research myself I found this:

http://insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2005/may/14/nac04.htm

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Quote:

Gasoline Prices To Drop in Two Weeks
Sit down and take a deep breath - the price of gasoline is going down. Don't believe it? Then pinch yourself, because it is true.

The Refinadora Costarricense de Petróleo (RECOPE) will make a formal request on Monday to reduce the price of a litre of gasoline by ¢30 colones for a super, ¢28 for regular and ¢23 for diesel.

The price reduction should come in about two weeks.

The current price for a litre of gasoline is now at ¢424 for super, ¢405 for regular and ¢305 for diesel, after the fourth increase of the year came into effect earlier this week.

The reduction is based on the lower cost of crude oil on world markets and not on government intervention. The price reduction will be a welcome relief to drivers who have driven through a ¢69 colone price hike in fuel prices this year.

End of quote.
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So how can you in the light of this, maintain the idea of "oil imperialism from the producers and distributors"?

Here we have such an "oil imperialist" that volutairily lowers its price without government intervention. Can you explain that?
 
Well, I don't know where the money goes to , but it goes OUT of my pockets, and the ever increasing profit must go IN someones else pockets !! Government incomes must have increased exponential last year by raising incomes of fuel taxes, but I'm not seeing zip in return on my tax letter !! My believe in politics has decreased way below zero. I keep on saying, it all are pocket filling bastards...filling our pockets with air and filling theirs with golden profits...
 
In SA a precetage goes to the Road Accident fund, it is there to compensate for injury and inconvenience because we don't have a public transport system and fraudulant drivers licences are not uncommon. The truth is that the fund are under investigation cause payments are barely ever made to victims (go figure). We are currently paying just over five Rands per litre of petrol, that's about 75 cents US, it's a crapload 'round here.
 
Hawk said:

Kind of very old news sugar, try http://nacion.com/ for actual news. Regular is going to 405 colones next week, I'm not even going to look at super price, I stopped with it since May.

We only have one tax for gas which is supposedly used to fix the highways, but as always it ends in the pockets of the politicians. Anyway gas prices goes up (or down once in a lifetime) acording to the ARESEP automatic formula and under request of RECOPE do to international gas prices. All gas distribution comes from the government regulated by the crude price.

Here are some old articles that explain the rules in this country, of course please polish your Spanish :D

http://www.prensalibre.co.cr/2005/marzo/01/economia03.php
http://www.teletica.com/archivo/buendia/01/fondo/gasolina.htm
http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/050410/4/z9m7.html
http://www.terra.co.cr/noticias/nacionales/articulo/html/nac40351.htm