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Einherjar86
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I can't stand the Phil Collins era. Fucking 80s pop crap.
Now Gabriel era, that's another matter...
I have to say Selling England By the Pound is the best album, with Dancing With the Moonlit Knight as their best song (by "best," I mean "my favorite").
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway comes in at a close second for me. Once you get to third place it's impossible to choose between Nursery Cryme, Trespass, Foxtrot. All incredible albums, in my opinion.
Now Gabriel era, that's another matter...
I have to say Selling England By the Pound is the best album, with Dancing With the Moonlit Knight as their best song (by "best," I mean "my favorite").
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway comes in at a close second for me. Once you get to third place it's impossible to choose between Nursery Cryme, Trespass, Foxtrot. All incredible albums, in my opinion.
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Whoa! The first 2 albums that Collins took over ('76-'77) vocals-Trick of the Tail, and Wind and Wuthering, (my favorite) were great albums, with no pop songs. I've stated a few times the last year about the '81 album Abacab, being the last album by Genesis that was worth having. It's a decent album. But the album before- Duke, is when Phil started writing some lyrics. They were ok songs, but the writing was on the wall, that's for sure. Any Genesis from '70 to '77 is where you will be satisfied.
To me:
Best Gabriel era album-Selling England By the Pound, and Nursery Cryme
Best Collins era albums-Wind and Wuthering, Trick of the Tail
And if you decide to get a Genesis album, get the remasters with the DVD. The Gabriel era are not out yet.( and I'm really chomping at the bit waiting for those albums!) The extra disc has the album remixed in 5.1, and archival footage, videos, band member documentary/interviews, talking about the album. The Duke, and Trick of the Tail discs have live concerts on them. The 'And Then There Were Three' disc has an interesting '78 Tour Documentary on it, that is at least an hour long.
Genesis truly were an amazing band from '69 to '81. The 80's is when their shows cut almost every pre '78 material out of there setlist, except for 2 or 3 songs at most. Once Phil's first solo album did well, his head got so fucking big, and the rest of the band let him pretty much take over, and turn them into, to me, just another Phil Collins solo group.
As for Yes, (I'm probably the biggest Yes fan on the forum here) they are almost in the same boat, as for changing in the 80's. But, the 3 albums Drama, ('80-The only one without Jon Anderson on vocals) 90125, and Big Generator ('83 and '87) were stellar albums! Trevor Rabin took over guitar on 90125, and provided a hard rock, with a little mainsteam (a few songs were on the pop side) sound to the band. Their 70's peak prog moments were '71 to 77'.
My 2 favorite Yes albums are '73 Tales From Topographic Oceans-a dark, cosmic, atmospheric, mystical album with four 20 minute songs, that are really one 80 minute song in 4 parts. And '87 Big Generator- Trevor Rabin's second with the band, and he created a balance musically with this one, by bringing in more of the 70's melody, but also keeping it rhythmically heavy.
I would start with the '72 albums Fragile, and Close to the Edge albums. Critics and many fans cite these as the best Yes albums. Though not My favorite Yes albums, both are masterpieces. They did have a few strong albums in the late 90's with the classic 70's lineup, The Ladder, and Keys to Ascension I and II.
To me:
Best Gabriel era album-Selling England By the Pound, and Nursery Cryme
Best Collins era albums-Wind and Wuthering, Trick of the Tail
And if you decide to get a Genesis album, get the remasters with the DVD. The Gabriel era are not out yet.( and I'm really chomping at the bit waiting for those albums!) The extra disc has the album remixed in 5.1, and archival footage, videos, band member documentary/interviews, talking about the album. The Duke, and Trick of the Tail discs have live concerts on them. The 'And Then There Were Three' disc has an interesting '78 Tour Documentary on it, that is at least an hour long.
Genesis truly were an amazing band from '69 to '81. The 80's is when their shows cut almost every pre '78 material out of there setlist, except for 2 or 3 songs at most. Once Phil's first solo album did well, his head got so fucking big, and the rest of the band let him pretty much take over, and turn them into, to me, just another Phil Collins solo group.
As for Yes, (I'm probably the biggest Yes fan on the forum here) they are almost in the same boat, as for changing in the 80's. But, the 3 albums Drama, ('80-The only one without Jon Anderson on vocals) 90125, and Big Generator ('83 and '87) were stellar albums! Trevor Rabin took over guitar on 90125, and provided a hard rock, with a little mainsteam (a few songs were on the pop side) sound to the band. Their 70's peak prog moments were '71 to 77'.
My 2 favorite Yes albums are '73 Tales From Topographic Oceans-a dark, cosmic, atmospheric, mystical album with four 20 minute songs, that are really one 80 minute song in 4 parts. And '87 Big Generator- Trevor Rabin's second with the band, and he created a balance musically with this one, by bringing in more of the 70's melody, but also keeping it rhythmically heavy.
I would start with the '72 albums Fragile, and Close to the Edge albums. Critics and many fans cite these as the best Yes albums. Though not My favorite Yes albums, both are masterpieces. They did have a few strong albums in the late 90's with the classic 70's lineup, The Ladder, and Keys to Ascension I and II.
Foxtrot
Selling England by the Pound
Nursery Cryme
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Trespass
That's how I'd rate their albums. A Trick of the Tail is good, but not essential. I don't know much after that.
Basically, even I'm supporting Peter Gabriel's era. Ya i know, I'm biased
But I'm sure you'll enjoy PG's era more
Selling England by the Pound
Nursery Cryme
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Trespass
That's how I'd rate their albums. A Trick of the Tail is good, but not essential. I don't know much after that.
Basically, even I'm supporting Peter Gabriel's era. Ya i know, I'm biased
But I'm sure you'll enjoy PG's era more
Einherjar86
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Honestly, I know that Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering weren't "80s pop crap." But I just feel that they lack something next to the Gabriel material. Phil Collins was not the same calibre of writer than Gabriel was.
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I heard a song on Sirius earlier this week that I hadn't heard before and really liked it. It was Collins era. I scrolled through their songs on iTunes and couldn't find it
Edit: It's Gonna Get Better. And I have it on vinyl >.<
Edit: It's Gonna Get Better. And I have it on vinyl >.<
infernal affair
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Genesis: Selling England by the Pound. Then Foxtrot, Nursery Crime, The Lamb.
Yes: Fragile or Close to the Edge. Then Relayer and The Yes Album.
Yes: Fragile or Close to the Edge. Then Relayer and The Yes Album.
I admit i never explored their music but I do like the Phil Collins era album Invisible Touch... Land of Confusion being my fave song from it... and I think Phil is a better writer then Peter plus I also think Phil is a very underrated drummer...
Einherjar86
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He is an underrated drummer. I just can't stand how Genesis changed from an awesome prog rock band to an 80s band... pisses me off, and it's pretty much Collins' fault.
ramses
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It pisses me off too! Like I strated earlier, Abacab was the last one with some good songs. Phil Collins WAS an excellent drummer. His side project band Brand X was great jazz fusion/prog stuff. As for a lyricist, ummm...no. Collins had a few ballad type songs that were ok at best. Tony Banks, to me, is the best lyrical writer in Genesis, and then Gabriel. Collins only wrote music, until the 1980 Duke album.The Wind and Wuthering ('77) album has such an amazing atmosphere on it, with most of the music and lyrics being written by Banks. Steve Hackett did some of his best guitar work in Genesis on the album, which was his last with the band. He wrote the amazing song Blood On the Rooftops for the Wind and Wuthering album. I like Gabriel better, of course, but the first 2 with Collins as singer were just as good musically in every way except that Peter wasn't there. Phil's singing, and songwriting was not at the annoying state yet, on those albums. Almost as if the band kept him in check, and Phil was still nervous about being the lead singer. On the remasters, in the interviews, they talk about that subject. And it's a shame he didn't continue to sing like he did on the TOTT, and WAW albums. Peter in Genesis, to me, was one of the best frontmen of all time. He was doing things onstage that weren't done by anyone, until he dared to do it. David Bowie was very influenced by Gabriel's stage theatrics. My top Yes/Genesis albums...
Tales From Topographic Oceans- Wind and Wuthering
Big Generator- Selling England by the Pound
Relayer- Nursery Cryme
Going For the One- Trick of the tail
Close to the Edge- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
90125- Foxtrot
Fragile- Tresspass
Talk- And Then There Were Three
Drama - Duke
The Yes Album- Abacab
I have all of them,(Yes) but I listed my top 10....
Tales From Topographic Oceans- Wind and Wuthering
Big Generator- Selling England by the Pound
Relayer- Nursery Cryme
Going For the One- Trick of the tail
Close to the Edge- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
90125- Foxtrot
Fragile- Tresspass
Talk- And Then There Were Three
Drama - Duke
The Yes Album- Abacab
I have all of them,(Yes) but I listed my top 10....
I'm not into Prog of any music genre so that doesn't bother me... I guess im biased because im a Phil fan of his solo work... so to me Invisible Touch is a good album...
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ramses
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You are correct, sir!! I don't like his solo stuff, except maybe a few songs. But it's funny how he left the band back in the mid 90's, and they recruited another singer, (Ray Wilson) and his next solo album bombed. And lo and behold, he's back just in time, to tour for their 35th anniversary and the remasters.
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I picked up Trespass on vinyl today for $5 as I had not heard any of the Peter Gabriel stuff. It's got some decent songs on it.
Any video clips of Phil playing drums... I saw him play drums at the Led Zep Live Aid reunion as well as with Clapton and other all star concerts... really a underrated drummer..
