Happy 06/06/06!!!
- Thread starter From the Miasma
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David Gold
Son of the Darkest Blues
Yes!!! We'll be checking out the 666 sale at the metal section of HMV on Yonge St., in Toronto this evening! 
zekeyou
Member
AshDLS
Huh?
zekeyou said:
Fucking brutal, that. That's what my idea of doom is.
Um, none of my students here in Japan had any idea that 666 is supposedly an evil or unlucky number, heh.
Renegade46n2
Wanderer of Dark Woods
Is a date on a man-made calendar really worth anything? Oh well, I guess I'll sacrifice a few virgins today...but of course I always do that on Tuesdays.
David Gold
Son of the Darkest Blues
I read this this morning, in reference to yesterday's "666 Day". Apparently this was printed in the national newspaper in Norway!
Pretty cool, IMO! + The new Enslaved is awesome!
Pretty cool, IMO! + The new Enslaved is awesome!
Wow. He makes a lot of very good points.
I wish that could have been printed in our national paper as well! This is a great article for both metal and non-metal fans alike!
For the non-metal fans, it will open their eyes a bit. It will be a great day for music, and Western culture in general, when people start to realize that not every band with "extreme" vocals is satanic.
And it will be an even better day for Western culture when people will, as Ivar said, start believing more in themselves and their abilities and less in 'some huge guy with a beard who "created" the earth in six days and knows at all times what we are thinking.'
And that day will come. Like Ivar said, "The Next Thousand Years Are Ours!"
I wish that could have been printed in our national paper as well! This is a great article for both metal and non-metal fans alike!
For the non-metal fans, it will open their eyes a bit. It will be a great day for music, and Western culture in general, when people start to realize that not every band with "extreme" vocals is satanic.
And it will be an even better day for Western culture when people will, as Ivar said, start believing more in themselves and their abilities and less in 'some huge guy with a beard who "created" the earth in six days and knows at all times what we are thinking.'
And that day will come. Like Ivar said, "The Next Thousand Years Are Ours!"
sdmf2
Member
From the Miasma said:
Not to sound harsh, but no it wont. Don't take this as a flame, because it is not intended as such. People are set in their ways and most "non-metal" fans (by which, I mean Christians, etc.) will write an article as such off. Why? Because it's from a heavy metal artist of course. People don't view metal as a legitimate artform and they view metalheads and artists as one-dimentional cretins without the ability to think critically and be intelligent.
As great as that little article was and how much it sums up my own Existentialist beliefs, people are idiots and they will immediately write the opinion off as soon as they see it's from someone in the metal community.
Not to mention, metal is equated with Satanism no matter what. I have an Aunt whom is extremely religious. We get along really great, she's my favorite Aunt, but she doesn't understand metal. Some years ago she told me that all metal is satanic and when I tried to explain to her that it was largely black metal which has satanic overtones (and even then, it's mostly just a show,) she would not believe me and just wrote me off without listening to my argument.
But, I think all this relates to why many of us really love metal. It's OUR subculture. People might write us off as idiots, but they really have no idea what they're missing. They miss the dynamic,--what other genre of music has EIGHT MILLION other subgenres to choose from--intelligent, philosophical aspects of metal and constantly misjudge what great people metalheads are (most metalheads of course.) Metalheads are some of the most fraternal people on earth (with the exception of those damnable nu-metallers
) and not many will ever understand that. But that is half the fun; being a "kept-down" group of people, so we can bitch about how people don't understand us and our musical choice.
Haha, don't worry. There's nothing wrong with having a good discussion, man.Smoof said:
You're right, a lot of people ARE quite set in their ways (Christians, etc.) and you can't expect them to change their views. Most of them are happy as clams believing in a god that makes all their choices for them! And if a person is happy with what they believe in, then why would they ever want to change that? No one wants to be unhappy. These people's eyes are sewn so tightly shut that nothing will ever open them.
It's the younger generations whose eyes it will open. Eyes which--because of the explosion of media in our generation (namely the internet)--are no longer shielded from all the things their Christian parents and grandparents had been shielded from during the years that shaped their own personalities and beliefs. Because of this, the younger generations of today are now much more free to become their own selves, rather than to be thrown in a mold and come out just like their parents, and their parents before them!
And I mean, let's be real, I don't expect any of these changes (like society accepting that not all metal is satanic, etc) to happen overnight. Nor do I expect it to encompass the entire population. Nor do I want it to! One of the things I love most about metal is, like you said, the brotherhood metalheads have. Any time I'm in HMV, whenever there are 2 people in front of the metal section, whether they know each other or not, they are always chatting. It doesn't matter who they are, they're brothers (and sisters too, of course
). But really though, the point I was trying to make was that the world would be a better place if people started believing more in themselves and in their abilities than in a book written 2000 years ago.Going to have to disagree with one point you make. About the younger generations, I'm not entirely sure. I'm going to be 22 in a mont here (shit, a month.) and so far the people I've met that have been my age who are religious are generally close minded as well. I had a job a while ago where we had quite a few Christians right around my age and they were just as set in their ways as anyone else.
I think it has less to do with a generational thing and more with people who are more willing to think for themselves and not accept the norms. Someone who is willing to question "authority." It seems that close minded people are born that way and they will not change. However, I think there are plenty out there who are more willing to accept new facets of life and culture, regardless of their religion or not. I hope I got that across well enough, I'm rather tired and when I get that way, I have difficulty making my point.
Eitherway, I think a lot of people, open minded or not view metal as more "noise" than anything else. I would generally say that most people don't even wonder whether or not if metal is Satanic, but more often, they wonder how people (us) can really listen to it, when it's just "noise."
But you do make a good point on people discovering and having their eyes opened by the internet. I know if it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't have such the vast metal collection I have today. But as I stated before, I think it has to do with people having an open mind to begin with. However, I think many people are conditioned by the media and popular culture to not think openly. To go off on a bit of a tangent here, corperate America benefits off keeping people dumb and ignorant. I think most people are conditioned to think metal is nothing but noise, because when people hear "Heavy Metal" in modern terms, they immediately think _Slipknot_ or _Limp Bizkit_ rather than realizing that metal musicians are some of the most talented people on earth.
Huh, I think this post was rather random. I'm not going to bother reading through it because I actually put SOME thought into it and if I read through it, I'm going to end-up deleting it because it makes no sense. As stated, I'm rather tired and thus, this post might not make a whole lot of sense. I'll post some more when I'm at work tomorrow and then I can actually post something that is coherent
I think it has less to do with a generational thing and more with people who are more willing to think for themselves and not accept the norms. Someone who is willing to question "authority." It seems that close minded people are born that way and they will not change. However, I think there are plenty out there who are more willing to accept new facets of life and culture, regardless of their religion or not. I hope I got that across well enough, I'm rather tired and when I get that way, I have difficulty making my point.
Eitherway, I think a lot of people, open minded or not view metal as more "noise" than anything else. I would generally say that most people don't even wonder whether or not if metal is Satanic, but more often, they wonder how people (us) can really listen to it, when it's just "noise."
But you do make a good point on people discovering and having their eyes opened by the internet. I know if it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't have such the vast metal collection I have today. But as I stated before, I think it has to do with people having an open mind to begin with. However, I think many people are conditioned by the media and popular culture to not think openly. To go off on a bit of a tangent here, corperate America benefits off keeping people dumb and ignorant. I think most people are conditioned to think metal is nothing but noise, because when people hear "Heavy Metal" in modern terms, they immediately think _Slipknot_ or _Limp Bizkit_ rather than realizing that metal musicians are some of the most talented people on earth.
Huh, I think this post was rather random. I'm not going to bother reading through it because I actually put SOME thought into it and if I read through it, I'm going to end-up deleting it because it makes no sense. As stated, I'm rather tired and thus, this post might not make a whole lot of sense. I'll post some more when I'm at work tomorrow and then I can actually post something that is coherent
