Honor

Norsemaiden

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Dec 12, 2005
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I felt like using the American spelling out of politeness to all the Americans here.

So much of what is wrong in the world today comes down to personal honor, and especially the loss of it. Self respect and dignity is a big part of it, but just as important is respecting other people. For example a man of honor would never try to take advantage of someone who had done no wrong. And if someone insults or tries to take advantage of an honorable person then that impunes their honor.

People confuse honor and pride. There is plenty of puffed up pride, but honor is ever thinner on the ground. When a man talks of being "dissed" or demands "respec'" he may have had his pride hurt but chances are he had no honor. The whole idea of honor would be unimaginable to most men now. It is closely tied to morality, but it is an inner sense of what is and what is not honorable behavior rather than following a moral code. It comes from the biology of the individual, yet it can be warped. Honor is something that is differently perceived in various ethnicities. We know how the Japanese, until recently, had a very finely honed sense of honour, and how Muslims kill their women in "honor killings" which are seen by Europeans as being extremely dishonorable. The European man normally feels that mistreatment and disrespect of women is dishonorable. Or at least that used to be the norm. Men who see nothing demeaning in porn and in women being treated like cattle really have no sense of honor. (It is another matter if they enjoy it fully aware that it is a vice and that it does demean people).

Our nations are now run by dishonorable people, and we are encouraged to respect tricksters and degenerates. When America first became the "policeman of world" following WWII, it held some semblance of honor (because the realities of the despicable war crimes America committed were kept secret) but by now, having become the most hated nation on Earth, the United States can be seen to have no honor.

And think about how politics is run, with its dirty tricks and lies, and also how dishonorable a profession it is to lend money (borrowing is bad enough).

I have rambled enough for the moment.

Have a look at this youtube video of a black preacher explaining the problem of lack of honor amongst African Americans - which I am not chosing for an aggressive racist reason, but rather because it's the only thing on youtube I know of that approaches illustrating my point.

 
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I know much of which you speak, but I don’t believe anything has changed. I doubt the rabbling horde of England or throughout Europe for that matter had much honour. Japanese suicide honour seemingly a noble action but whom did it honor ? They were simply people that had this pounded into their heads by an overly disciplined and gruff non forgiving culture. Honour amounst European noblemen and Knights... has it simply been romanticized and are we to believe they never took pause. Was Jesus honorable by dying on the cross so we "could be forgiven our sins" ? Was I dishonorable to my child and family for not fulfilling so many of the dreams for which I spoke ? I seem to have paid a steep price for it... much of which came to be as I stifled on my "honor". I once strongly believed in honor and dignity but was given a stiff lesson by the society which we live in, the society of confused 0 tolerance/all tolerant... step on the wrong side of this confusion for a moment and one will be forced to die without their dignity, dishonored, with all their past meaningless, their present painful and future empty... so what then ? Maintain a level of honour by falling on ones own sword ? I have been though all of this and could not find an answer. I retain most of my past beliefs but distance myself from anything requiring honor to others or expectations of receiving any in return.