I hereby perform citizens bands firing!

Cyanide_Anima

yooveesevenbeekay
Apr 14, 2005
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Balls. Gotta fire the basist today. He's let us down 5 times too many. He's made us all look really bad on a few occasions, and has burned a few bridges for us before we even got in the car, so to speak. And when he is intoxicated, he goes 'full retard'. He's a friend, but he's disrespected us too many times. Sucks ass. How would you go a bout this? Btw, we work together, so it could be awkward.
 
Well, besides telling him straight to his face, what else can you really do? If it would be to akward to do it in person, then just call him. If he goes apeshit, then tell him to grow the hell up and take it like a man. Or if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, then get the rest of the band to back you up. But then he might feel like you're ganging up on him.


Point is, just tell him. Yeah it sucks, but it obviously needs to be done. And there really is no better way than just giving it to him straight.
 
Sorry to hear that man, but don't worry, mercilessly cutting loose bad influences who are holding you back (like cutting away rotting flesh) gets easier every time! :heh: Just fuel yourself with your own ambition, and do it! (though of course being civil/tactful is always better to hopefully not damage the relationship too much)
 
If it would be to akward to do it in person, then just call him.

Nah, definitely do it in person. Just explain it's not down to his playing (assuming that's the case), it's down to his attitude - if the rest of the band are putting 100% in and he's not, he's not respecting the efforts the rest of you make. If he is a friend and you tell him that, he's got no excuse for getting angry - because it's his own mistakes that have caused it, not yours.

Steve
 
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Balls. Gotta fire the basist today. He's let us down 5 times too many. He's made us all look really bad on a few occasions, and has burned a few bridges for us before we even got in the car, so to speak. And when he is intoxicated, he goes 'full retard'. He's a friend, but he's disrespected us too many times. Sucks ass. How would you go a bout this? Btw, we work together, so it could be awkward.

Have you actually talked about this or have you just kept it inside of you?
 
Balls. Gotta fire the basist today. He's let us down 5 times too many. He's made us all look really bad on a few occasions, and has burned a few bridges for us before we even got in the car, so to speak. And when he is intoxicated, he goes 'full retard'. He's a friend, but he's disrespected us too many times. Sucks ass. How would you go a bout this? Btw, we work together, so it could be awkward.

I always laugh at this kind of question because I am the one who usually gets to do the fireing when I am in a band. Almost always (like 98%) they know they are fucking shit up so...

It's really simple:

"_____ your not in the band anymore."

That's it, if they want to talk about it (and they will) then the fallowing is said afterwords:

"_____ there is nothing to discuss, you know you fucked up and your done."
 
actually, we've all talked with him quite a few times. first time was he really wasnt up to par with his technique. sloppy playing in a technical metal band doesn't fly. 2nd time was because of getting wasted and wasting everyones time, going on 'bass adventured' as i liked to call them, playing uhh, 'basslines' that have nothing to do with what the rest of us are doing. he calls that 'counterpoint'. im no counterpoint expert, but i seriously doubt playing random things doing that fabled 'bass slide from hell' at every available moment and making the whole band sound bad. he's been injured for a few weeks sitting out. and we've progressed so much in that short time. its amazing, we actually sound like we are playing together now! but i know he's gunna throw the guilt trip thing at us, and go after our drummer, who we've had problems with in the past, but he has his act together now. just a shitty situation i guess. also, he knows something is up so since he's been back at work he's just yabbin' on about how he wants to do this and that with the music (when he doesnt even write his own parts, he literally can't) and what we've been workin on and what music we've written and on and on. i feel really bad for him, to be honest. he has good intentions, but he's a smoke blower.
 
Fired our singer 2 months ago, and we have become real tight now. We have a new singer and gigs galore. Kind of a freedom, ya know. We all met at a neutral place, beer and food joint, and laid it on him. Didn't even take 1 minute for him to stop listening and just get up and leave the place. He was a friend of mine for 7 years, that's now never going to heal, but it's better this way. I have had easier post break-up drama with girls in the past, but he soon ran out of venom. Boil it all down and the best advise is get it over like taking a band-aid off man. Then in two months let us know how far you guys have come! P.S. we are tighter than ever and receiving many praises now due to the new line-up. Amazing what getting rid of bad vibes does for overall presentation of your music.
 
actually, we've all talked with him quite a few times. first time was he really wasnt up to par with his technique. sloppy playing in a technical metal band doesn't fly. 2nd time was because of getting wasted and wasting everyones time, going on 'bass adventured' as i liked to call them, playing uhh, 'basslines' that have nothing to do with what the rest of us are doing. he calls that 'counterpoint'. im no counterpoint expert, but i seriously doubt playing random things doing that fabled 'bass slide from hell' at every available moment and making the whole band sound bad. he's been injured for a few weeks sitting out. and we've progressed so much in that short time. its amazing, we actually sound like we are playing together now! but i know he's gunna throw the guilt trip thing at us, and go after our drummer, who we've had problems with in the past, but he has his act together now. just a shitty situation i guess. also, he knows something is up so since he's been back at work he's just yabbin' on about how he wants to do this and that with the music (when he doesnt even write his own parts, he literally can't) and what we've been workin on and what music we've written and on and on. i feel really bad for him, to be honest. he has good intentions, but he's a smoke blower.

sounds like every bass player I have played with :p

how about when your chuggin an open e, and he is chuggin on the a string :ill:
 
ooo, a string chuggage, i know what ya mean. or falling a semtone off, and a couple 16 notes behind. yeah, thats brutal.

i gave him the news, and he was really mature. i was really suprised. so far in this band, every time i've had to crack down on laziness or not dedicating themselves it's turned into finger pointing up until now. i'm glad this was fairly easy, lol. my problem is i always give people another chance, and another, and another. i don't think they take me seriously after that hahah.
 
ooo, a string chuggage, i know what ya mean. or falling a semtone off, and a couple 16 notes behind. yeah, thats brutal.

i gave him the news, and he was really mature. i was really suprised. so far in this band, every time i've had to crack down on laziness or not dedicating themselves it's turned into finger pointing up until now. i'm glad this was fairly easy, lol. my problem is i always give people another chance, and another, and another. i don't think they take me seriously after that hahah.

Sometimes giving people a chance can give great results. Many years ago I was in a band and we wanted to kick out our guitarist cause he was playing way too sloppy, dude didn't even know how to pal mute properly, and we were a metalcore/thrash band so palm muting was a total must. I was the only one who stood up for him and we decided to give him a chance. suddenly in such a short time he started doing pretty well, we jammed together for 4 years doing tons of local shows until both of us left the band pursuing our own separate purposes. To this day he is one of the tightest guitar players I've seen in my area. A few months ago we fired our drummer cause he was sloppy as well, and changed the whole songs (we program drums when we compose the songs, don't want them to get too altered cause the whole feeling of the song changes) without giving him a second chance and now we regret it, he was very fond of the band and could've done anything if we had given him a chance, now we have a metalcore fanboy drummer playing in a doom/death band just cause he wants to play live but has no real interest in the band at all, and always has issues (girlfriend, job, lack of equipment) that keeps him from making it one time (or at all) to rehearsals. And to think we're giving THIS DUDE a chance. we're one mistake from kicking his ass out and asking the old guy to come back with us

Edit: btw, A string chugagge and those thing you mention happened to me when I was like 16 or something. don't laugh! I had long hair and little to no knowledge of music, just enjoying my youth jumping around while bashing a bass guitar.
 
yeah, but its really bad when you've told them a hundred times they are playing the song incorrectly, and you show them the right way, again and again and again and again....

but i know what ya mean giving chances. our drummer for example. he was only a year into playing when we picked him up. his feet weren't fast at all, or tight, and he had the tendancy to go into flam mode with rolls, and xxx xxx xxx xxx gallopy stuff. i thought it would be the perfect chance to kind of "mold" the ideal drummer for the music i write. its kinda techy thrash/djenty/melodeth stuff, and it's not easy. but he didn't try very hard for the first say, 10 months. but with patience and time he started improving. ive gone through many many drummers and this is the only guy i haven't scared away yet, rofl. and we get along so well. i was pretty close to just quitting the band and going solo for the longest time after a fucking revolving door of members for so long, it just drains you and feels like you are wasting your time. but i have some hope for this band now. sigh.
 
yeah, but its really bad when you've told them a hundred times they are playing the song incorrectly, and you show them the right way, again and again and again and again....

but i know what ya mean giving chances. our drummer for example. he was only a year into playing when we picked him up. his feet weren't fast at all, or tight, and he had the tendancy to go into flam mode with rolls, and xxx xxx xxx xxx gallopy stuff. i thought it would be the perfect chance to kind of "mold" the ideal drummer for the music i write. its kinda techy thrash/djenty/melodeth stuff, and it's not easy. but he didn't try very hard for the first say, 10 months. but with patience and time he started improving. ive gone through many many drummers and this is the only guy i haven't scared away yet, rofl. and we get along so well. i was pretty close to just quitting the band and going solo for the longest time after a fucking revolving door of members for so long, it just drains you and feels like you are wasting your time. but i have some hope for this band now. sigh.


Dude - just joined over here, and don't really know you, but kudos for doing what you had to do. :)

A bud of mine is in the same boat and my advice was, if there is an obstacle between you and your goal, the only logical step os to remove the obstacle.

Nice - now you can get some shit done hopefully. :rock: