that Bolt Thrower i heard way back when was The IVth Crusade i do believe. When i say similar as those 2 albums i mentioned i meant the groove on those and some of the riffing on Meathook Seed "Embedded" is just awesome. Meathook Seed had a second album called B.I.B.L.E. but Trevor Peres and Donald Tardy weren't on it and the album was just not that good at all...anyway that's what i'm basically looking for is the groove and riffing.