If you like Nest, Mortiis, Mistigo Varggoth Darkestra, etc
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I've been aware of this band for a little while but I've only listened to a single sample. I was going to check it out further but I've been procrastinating in doing so.
JayKeeley
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I want to ask some of you Scandinavians a question. When I hear music like this, Nest, Tenhi, and even Amorphis (Elegy stuff), I notice a lot of Far Eastern/Oriental influence, even though it's traditional Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian etc. I guess in this case, this guy is Russian....
Am I nuts, or is there indeed some similarity? At minimum, can it be isolated more so towards Finnish traditional music perhaps (wrapped into the Kalevala songs of old)?
I'm just wondering if there's any history here that would dictate similarities - old trade routes between old Aryans and new etc. Anything that might have brought music styles to a similar platform.
Or maybe I'm nuts.
Am I nuts, or is there indeed some similarity? At minimum, can it be isolated more so towards Finnish traditional music perhaps (wrapped into the Kalevala songs of old)?
I'm just wondering if there's any history here that would dictate similarities - old trade routes between old Aryans and new etc. Anything that might have brought music styles to a similar platform.
Or maybe I'm nuts.
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Have you listened to Cat People yet, nikkuh? Every time I spin Stronghold I immediately think of Cat People.JayKeeley said:
Also, you aren't nuts to hear an Eastern vibe in the Finnish stuff you listed, I thought that Elegy was like an Eastern music metal tribute until this thread, didn't realize that was based in traditional Finnish stuff. I think we can safely blame the Jews for this bizarre coincidence. :zombie:
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One Inch Man said:
Yeah! I heard the first couple of tracks -- of course the Bowie song is a standout. I'll listen to it tonight, after I get through this next review.
Any Bowie song makes me want to listen to "Under Pressure". Damn, I love that song.
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That bassline has been forever destroyed by Vanilla Ice. But at least it's funny in a "huhuhhuhu, Vanilla Ice" kind of way.
Amorphis have a lot of eastern influences, "kebab-metal" as they've called it sometimes. They have nothing to do with real Finnish folk music, although there are some melodies reminding that, but too much of other things too. Then again, what is Finnish folk music.
Actually, oddly enough Ive been thinking about this a bit lately, but Ive always thought Amorphis, Nest, etc. (the Finnish traditional folk influenced acts) all have a very native American vibe to it. It almost sounds ancestral; very spiritual. Almost like a Pagan feel to it, but it's different to me. I guess to me it feels a bit more tribal and celebratory, as opposed to war like which I find in Pagan black metal. But yes, very akin to native American traditional folk music, which is awesome.
I hope that made some sense.
I hope that made some sense.
JayKeeley
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Yeah, perhaps. There has to be an ancient link here though:
Russia is obviously going to have influence on Finland. Russia itself is rooted in the Siberia and Mongolia type territories, and they of course filter down to the whole IndoChina region.
Native Americans were these same people who found a path from Russia into Alaska, and then down into the mainland where things start to get warmer, south of Canada.
Yeah, it could all tie itself together somewhat.....?
Lewis Black: "I don't like Canada cos that's where all the cold air comes from".
Russia is obviously going to have influence on Finland. Russia itself is rooted in the Siberia and Mongolia type territories, and they of course filter down to the whole IndoChina region.
Native Americans were these same people who found a path from Russia into Alaska, and then down into the mainland where things start to get warmer, south of Canada.
Yeah, it could all tie itself together somewhat.....?
Lewis Black: "I don't like Canada cos that's where all the cold air comes from".
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JayKeeley said:
That's what naturally comes time mind for me as well, but we're talking about pretty huge time spans here. From what I've gathered the general thesis says that people crossed the Berings straight to the Americas at the end of the last ice age, and that was 11,5 thousand years ago, could musical influences survire for that long? Perhaps, but it doesn't feel very likely. And secondly, even if traditional music doesn't change very much over the years, is it really plausible that both would change so little over the millenia that a purely audial connection can be detected by us at this time? As I've said I doubt it, but I don't know much about the subject
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Erik said:Dude so will anyone actually listen to this Lihoselie band?
It was really good actually, but my occational ambient needs can usually be quenched with the few CDs I've already got, but if I find it cheap I'll probably pick it up
JayKeeley
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I heard it, it was good. Then I clicked on some of the links and found myself in crakkker land.
Interesting. I don't really know, but I think music can be preserved somewhat. It really depends on what gets lost over the years, but I don't think music gets lost, I think it mutates based on other influences. So what we hear today are 'hints' of what was once at the core.
Aborigines still use songlines even to this day. Granted, Australia is an oddity and isolated, but these songlines haven't changed in since the first abo opened his mouth apparently.
Much of the Kalevala is nearly dead. I think there's one man left who can recite the Kalevala from memory, but he might be dead now. He must be around 90 years old.
spaffe said:
Interesting. I don't really know, but I think music can be preserved somewhat. It really depends on what gets lost over the years, but I don't think music gets lost, I think it mutates based on other influences. So what we hear today are 'hints' of what was once at the core.
Aborigines still use songlines even to this day. Granted, Australia is an oddity and isolated, but these songlines haven't changed in since the first abo opened his mouth apparently.
Much of the Kalevala is nearly dead. I think there's one man left who can recite the Kalevala from memory, but he might be dead now. He must be around 90 years old.
JayKeeley said:
Whatta hell are you talking about? Why on earth someone should recite Kalevala from memory, when most people reminds the storylines and if they want it 100% correctly, they can always pick up the book.
Hell, I shouldn't post to this topic, since this irritates me a lot. Please read Kalevala, read the complete history, listen to some real Finnish folk, not some Nest or Tenhi, they're very good, but doesn't really present real Finnish folk music.
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M.Lehto said:
Sure, it's all well 'scripted', but actually, I refer to the song. Based on the national geographic, there is one man left who knows the entire songs, but I think he has a son who knows only part of them.
It's in here ->
I got that with my Lord of the Rings special edition! It's late now, but tomorrow I can re-check this.
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