I'm out of here
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Misanthrope
Latin, NOT Mexican.
Protocol did banned me too for no reason, and he is getting out of control ( it seems ).
Rahvin you should consider trying to do something about it
Rahvin you should consider trying to do something about it
Kovenant84
T-369 days
@hyena .... If this is indeed true, it marks a sad era in our history
... please don't leave?
@misanthrope....kinda off topic, but what did you do to your sig????
... please don't leave?@misanthrope....kinda off topic, but what did you do to your sig????
HarmonyDies....
Semi-True
Onde Erik
Member
rahvin
keeper of the flame
now now now.
i agree with hyena and misanthrope: it's not tolerable and something should be done.
the facts, for those who are unfamiliar with the situation:
the #ultimatemetal irc channel, hosted on irc.mahke.net (a server controlled/owned by mark - i'm not sure about that) was registered by a user nicknamed "protocol", a youth from sweden with a tendency to sing along to primus.
when you register a channel on a server you get to have full powers over it and the users who access it, and that means: you can choose who's in/out, you can kick/ban ppl, you can choose who gets operator status and so on and so forth. i guess the reason why protocol registered the channel and mark was happy about it is that protocol surfs the net on a very powerful connection, thus managing to always be online, sunshine or rain. this sounded possibly as a good way to avoid abuse.
little did anyone know - i hope - that protocol would prove to be the very one to abuse the channel and his powers.
as far as misanthrope's banning is concerned, that's the first time i hear about it and i would certainly like to know more, because only last night protocol mentioned never having banned anyone, so now i guess we have to add dishonesty to his charges.
the thing concerning hyena is as follows:
one day hyena set the topic of the channel (a line above the room that is plain for everyone to see and that most ppl can change, and did, at will) to "let's bomb the fuck out of iraq". as much as this notion/opinion/idea could be debatable and even unpleasant for some, in my mind one has the right to express his/her opinions as much as everybody else, no matter if they're likeable or not. since no control had ever been set on topic changes, it sounded perfectly ok to me that everyone would set it to his/her likings, and then someone else could come and change it again and so on.
protocol, on the other hand, decided first to set the topic to a boring reprimand on the need to be civil and avoid topics he didn't like, then - after some frantic topic changes based largely on "bubu", and you know how dangerous is that - to lock the topic in a way he liked it, stating afterwards that only three-four ppl of his choosing would ever be able to change it again in the future.
last night he publicly stated that:
- he was being kind and benign to us.
- he could only accept topics he deemed "civil".
- he tolerated discussion on the matter but he could have done much worse and resort to violence.
- he dared ppl to file complaints to mark, waving about some sort of immunity.
all of this is logged for everyone who wants to read.
my take on the matter is that no community online should be ruled by a boy bossing around the users. it's all very well to appoint someone to prevent abuses, such as the channel being flooded by bots or spammers. quite another is putting in charge a child keen on banning and jealous of his idea of what "good behaviour" and "civilized ppl" are supposed to be.
i will certainly report to mark, but first i'd like to hear some opinions as to what can be done about it. i stress the fact this individual is indeed getting out of control.
@hyena: hold on a while more.
@misanthrope: hmm... although your new sig is not in quicktime, i'm afraid someone might find it a bit overboard when it comes to dload times...
rahvin.
i agree with hyena and misanthrope: it's not tolerable and something should be done.
the facts, for those who are unfamiliar with the situation:
the #ultimatemetal irc channel, hosted on irc.mahke.net (a server controlled/owned by mark - i'm not sure about that) was registered by a user nicknamed "protocol", a youth from sweden with a tendency to sing along to primus.
when you register a channel on a server you get to have full powers over it and the users who access it, and that means: you can choose who's in/out, you can kick/ban ppl, you can choose who gets operator status and so on and so forth. i guess the reason why protocol registered the channel and mark was happy about it is that protocol surfs the net on a very powerful connection, thus managing to always be online, sunshine or rain. this sounded possibly as a good way to avoid abuse.
little did anyone know - i hope - that protocol would prove to be the very one to abuse the channel and his powers.
as far as misanthrope's banning is concerned, that's the first time i hear about it and i would certainly like to know more, because only last night protocol mentioned never having banned anyone, so now i guess we have to add dishonesty to his charges.
the thing concerning hyena is as follows:
one day hyena set the topic of the channel (a line above the room that is plain for everyone to see and that most ppl can change, and did, at will) to "let's bomb the fuck out of iraq". as much as this notion/opinion/idea could be debatable and even unpleasant for some, in my mind one has the right to express his/her opinions as much as everybody else, no matter if they're likeable or not. since no control had ever been set on topic changes, it sounded perfectly ok to me that everyone would set it to his/her likings, and then someone else could come and change it again and so on.
protocol, on the other hand, decided first to set the topic to a boring reprimand on the need to be civil and avoid topics he didn't like, then - after some frantic topic changes based largely on "bubu", and you know how dangerous is that - to lock the topic in a way he liked it, stating afterwards that only three-four ppl of his choosing would ever be able to change it again in the future.
last night he publicly stated that:
- he was being kind and benign to us.
- he could only accept topics he deemed "civil".
- he tolerated discussion on the matter but he could have done much worse and resort to violence.
- he dared ppl to file complaints to mark, waving about some sort of immunity.
all of this is logged for everyone who wants to read.
my take on the matter is that no community online should be ruled by a boy bossing around the users. it's all very well to appoint someone to prevent abuses, such as the channel being flooded by bots or spammers. quite another is putting in charge a child keen on banning and jealous of his idea of what "good behaviour" and "civilized ppl" are supposed to be.
i will certainly report to mark, but first i'd like to hear some opinions as to what can be done about it. i stress the fact this individual is indeed getting out of control.
@hyena: hold on a while more.
@misanthrope: hmm... although your new sig is not in quicktime, i'm afraid someone might find it a bit overboard when it comes to dload times...
rahvin.
Velya
Tzimisce Methuselah
Hey im still misanthrope, just using this new nick from now on.
And as you can all see the signature is gone now, sorry for the inconvenience.
And as you can all see the signature is gone now, sorry for the inconvenience.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
LadyCal
Friend of Maurice
Seems like many things have changed the last days...
I don't know where Hyena posted this thread,but most people know each other here,don't they,and so they know what someone wants to say and I don't think they would feel sad,angry or things like that if someone posts in a way full of emotions.And if it happens they will talk it over and be friends again.the "family" manages all itself as you could say and there's no need to bann anyone - there won't be anyone left someday (just thinking of SA's forum and Rahvin,Dangerman,...).
@Hyenalease stay!
I don't know where Hyena posted this thread,but most people know each other here,don't they,and so they know what someone wants to say and I don't think they would feel sad,angry or things like that if someone posts in a way full of emotions.And if it happens they will talk it over and be friends again.the "family" manages all itself as you could say and there's no need to bann anyone - there won't be anyone left someday (just thinking of SA's forum and Rahvin,Dangerman,...).
@Hyena
lease stay!
rahvin
keeper of the flame
@ladycal: try to explain that to protocol. his intentions merely invove being a bully. he never posted here, so he doesn't care at all for who we are. and things were always very peaceful on that channel, nobody argued or anything. he just freaked out and started being a fascist about it. you never know with some ppl.
rahvin.
rahvin.
LadyCal
Friend of Maurice
You're moderator - don't you know him and aren't you able to make him see this thread?Maybe he will change his mind then.I can't understand why little ones is given so much power?Everyone knows how it is being a teen and how they act sometimes without thinking and without knowing the exact meaning of all,just thinking they know everything best.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
@ladycal: my mod powers are limited to this board (am i hearing sighs of relief? ) and protocol already told me to go ahead and make all the threads i want and tell ppl about his behaviour, he doesn't care at all anyway and he would enjoy the popularity. he acted superior the whole time, as if he were beyond the reaches of anything anyone could do to stop him. he actually said: "there's nothing you can do" or something very similar. so i guess there's nothing like proving otherwise.
rahvin.
) and protocol already told me to go ahead and make all the threads i want and tell ppl about his behaviour, he doesn't care at all anyway and he would enjoy the popularity. he acted superior the whole time, as if he were beyond the reaches of anything anyone could do to stop him. he actually said: "there's nothing you can do" or something very similar. so i guess there's nothing like proving otherwise.rahvin.
Rei Toei
not quite human
@hyena: please don't leave, it's someone else who should go away
@rahvin: i do agree with you: something should be done. see, it's the same old story since i first joined an irc channel: sooner or later some brainless arrogant baby comes and spoils the fun
i suggest everybody sends a pm to mark explaining the situation and pointing out what or - i better say - who is the problem, unless someone on this board approves censorship, of course
@rahvin: i do agree with you: something should be done. see, it's the same old story since i first joined an irc channel: sooner or later some brainless arrogant baby comes and spoils the fun
i suggest everybody sends a pm to mark explaining the situation and pointing out what or - i better say - who is the problem, unless someone on this board approves censorship, of course
LadyCal
Friend of Maurice
Cruel kings are always killed in the end...
what will they do if noone will visit UM anymore?just stop donating and posting for a few days,that must be noticed by someone having more powers than this little boy - he isn't the last instance,is he?there's another one the god of UM
what will they do if noone will visit UM anymore?just stop donating and posting for a few days,that must be noticed by someone having more powers than this little boy - he isn't the last instance,is he?there's another one the god of UM
rahvin
keeper of the flame
@rei toei: i think the idea is quite good.
@ladycal: the problem is not closely um-related, so i think not posting here would only damage the bands and the board more and do nothing to free us from that little boy. the channel is not a forum, so... :s
rahvin.
@ladycal: the problem is not closely um-related, so i think not posting here would only damage the bands and the board more and do nothing to free us from that little boy. the channel is not a forum, so... :s
rahvin.
LadyCal
Friend of Maurice
just save it as last exit lay him down in chains and do some other nice things to him - maybe Hyena got some good ideas
lay him down in chains and do some other nice things to him - maybe Hyena got some good ideas 
Wolfman Von Jones
The trouble with you
Dont leave, leaving is no good, who give a fuck what some 15 y/o who is still poping pimples on his face and having wet dreams does? Ill miss ya
Nick(bubu bu? bu bu bu, bu)
Nick(bubu bu? bu bu bu, bu)
Alfred
Clothes-Hook
Disagree. I suggest someone, with stress on the one part, to send mark a pm explaining him the problem and asking him to remove p's registration. We are not children anymore, and I think a single, polite and to-the-point pm will be more than enough (I suggest rahve, of course, as moderator to one of UM's boards), and I think that I really wouldn't appreciate being flooded with pms as if it were some sort of massive petition. We're just asking for a free-speech supporting, tolerant environment in a chat, which I think is a more than legitimate request in itself without any need for it to be 'supported' by tons of pms which could just have the effect to annoy mark. That's all, folks
Alfred (back to sleep)
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