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if somebody lies about their age in order to get or do something they wouldn't be able to have if they told the truth about their age, then that's deceptiveness to a criminal extent, or would be in a country governed by moral relativism
derek
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I know. It's hilarious.
Also, I love the word "jingoism". C'est magnifique. But the proper term is "chauvanism."
Jingoism works fine. Plus, adding a wink to try and deflect your smartass correction doesn't make it any less annoying.
Her deception may be a case of extenuating circumstances, which quite probably weakens any case against the boy, but nevertheless the responsibility lay with him to ensure she was of the correct age to be chasing.
derek
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El Stormo
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Nothin to do with chauvinism - it's simply that if Turkey is added to the EU, there'll be even more Turks coming here to take advantage of the social system.
derek
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It's been the same for every country that has recently joined the E.U. For the most part I have little against it providing adequate control procedures are in place. Multiculturalist criticism usually holds little sway with me, so I can't really empathise with you here.
Since Poland joined, the UK has been flooded with Polish workers. Some I am now quite proud to consider among my best friends. I'm not saying you are racist or that you are chauvanistic, because I know you better than that, only that I find it hard to support Turkey's continued exclusion from the E.U on that basis.
Ataturk set the wheels in motion to develop a decent country. Turkey is much more European than anything East of it, and it feels (to me, anyways) like a cleaner and friendlier Greece.
Since Poland joined, the UK has been flooded with Polish workers. Some I am now quite proud to consider among my best friends. I'm not saying you are racist or that you are chauvanistic, because I know you better than that, only that I find it hard to support Turkey's continued exclusion from the E.U on that basis.
Ataturk set the wheels in motion to develop a decent country. Turkey is much more European than anything East of it, and it feels (to me, anyways) like a cleaner and friendlier Greece.
i see your point, but with each new country that wants to join the european union, you gotta ask yourself these 3 questions
1
why does this country want to join?
2
what will happen if this country actually becomes part of the european union?
3
what will happen if this country is refused membership in the european union?
if you knew the "real" answers to these questions
you'd be as scared as fucking hell each and every time a new country tried to join the uropean union
seriously i'm glad i'm on the american side of the atlantic
Malergion
Complex pain
My smartass *comment* wasn't a correction. It was a joke.
So
to you. Either word is valid.
El Stormo
Member
My smartass *comment* wasn't a correction. It was a joke.
So
I thought jingoism was specifically used for English chauvinism?
Anyway, you're right about it not being a racist or chauvinist issue, derek. It has nothing to do with that, it's just that I see absolutely no reason why we should let an Asian country join the E.U. It's just not logical. Especially if that country refuses to give up several of its completely backward principles and political constructions.
Malergion
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derek
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Nope, it can apply to chauvinistic tendencies of any nationality, I believe. The only reason I used it as opposed to chauvinism because it tends imply the patriotic feelings are stirred because of something external.
I consider the European Union as another useless, trumped up level of bureaucracy. In all honesty, I don't think it is much more than a glorified economic agreement. When you consider it like that, Turkey has a much more valid claim for membership, considering its proximity and involvement with Europe.
The thing is that the E.U countries have completely failed to prepare for the influx of poorer peoples into the richer countries - which I'm not fundamentally opposed to at all, when correctly regulated - and that is leading to all sorts of problems. Some people are against it because of simplistic and ignorant reasons, while others take any opposition to it as racism. Whether you believe this tension is innate in people or whether we can educate it our of them depends on how you understand human beings and if it's even possible for us to live the multicultural "dream" of the 21st century.
derek
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El Stormo
Member
Apart from the fact that not all people dream of multiculturalism, I agree with what you say. And it's true that the EU is a glorified economical dinosaur, that doesn't mean I have to like it
Malergion
Complex pain
Meh, I was only trying to clarify.
As to the subtopic:
We're going through pretty much the same thing in the U.S. as the EU is going through with Turkey. We don't want those dirty, slimy(poor) foreigners invading us with their strange ways and we'll just blame the system if they come here illegally. The system will change to add more bureaucracy, and even less would get done at greater cost in labor. The whole concept of legal immigration is absolutely ridiculous in the first place. Even if it were possible to stop it(which it isn't, be real) it just costs way more trying than it would if we had a simpler system that let a few more bad apples through incidentally.
derek
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I can't say I've thought much about how regulated immigration would work on the ground, but it still seems more appealing than open borders.
El Stormo
Member
Malergion
Complex pain
I'm not so much in favor of open borders as I am a simpler system. Open borders would work in some Utopian pan-global empire, but as it is, there does have to be some sort of bottleneck. However, what I am saying is that making a big deal over the legality or non-legality of immigration is a) silly, and b) unnecessary.
If people had an easier time coming here, they'd just line up like everyone else--instead of (US) trying to cross the desert and dying of dehydration or being victimized by Mexican "coyotes."
If people had an easier time coming here, they'd just line up like everyone else--instead of (US) trying to cross the desert and dying of dehydration or being victimized by Mexican "coyotes."
derek
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