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The Ozzman
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Like Beck alot. Was big time into Beck in mid 70's when Blow by Blow and Wired came out. I went to a Wired (tour) concert which featured Jan Hammer, sixth row seats. It was great but I only heard it because I was stupid and got myself in a situation where I couldnt stand up. I have since wore these recordings out and rarely listen any more. I also have Guitar Shop which has more innovative Beck sounds and songs. Hes one of a kind no doubt. Hes also a motor head which is cool too.
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BloodSword
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Excellent guitarist, some critics have accused Jeff Beck of playing with "not enough emotion." Well, what does a critic know? Mr. Beck as cited Tommy Bolin as a "strong influence" on his playing.
Wasnt it : Hearing Spectrum which had Bolin playing guitar on it that drew Beck to pursue fusion, more than an influence on his playing style ? That was my understanding anyhow. I never caught much resemblence in their playing styles, only that they were both involved in some fusion way back. Not surprised he didnt mention the dry wailings of MacLaughlin or perhaps he has ?
Besides Becks personal way of playing he stands out most by his techiques of picking with his fingers and nails as well as his use of the tremelo bar (unlike how metal players use one) theres really no one else that plays like he does.
Personally I think Jan Hammers improv had more influence on Bolin and Beck than previous guitar players which was primarily MacLaughlin in the fusion world. Bolin, Beck and DiMeola all pretty much broke out into fusion around the same time, I suppose MacLaughlin had to have influenced them somewhat but they all played with alot more feel and sounded so much better. IMO
Besides Becks personal way of playing he stands out most by his techiques of picking with his fingers and nails as well as his use of the tremelo bar (unlike how metal players use one) theres really no one else that plays like he does.
Personally I think Jan Hammers improv had more influence on Bolin and Beck than previous guitar players which was primarily MacLaughlin in the fusion world. Bolin, Beck and DiMeola all pretty much broke out into fusion around the same time, I suppose MacLaughlin had to have influenced them somewhat but they all played with alot more feel and sounded so much better. IMO
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Not enough emotion? I don't know if I've ever heard such lyrical expression with a guitar as 'Cause We've Ended As Lovers'. Beautiful.
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agreed. out of the yardbird trio of clapton, beck and page. its page who was the worst and plays with no emotion
geeze, thats not really true either. The Stairway to Heaven solo and especially Since I've been Loving You are totally gripping. Theres got to be others too but Id have to review the library to awaken my memory. Not to mention that when it came to song writing/composition/production the other two hold no weight up against Jimmy Page. Becks a unique improv wiz and Clapton is a great typical song writer with excellent touch to his improv, but they all stand strong, have a history and body of work to prove this, plus they are easily identified from each other. That is the beauty of the whole thing.
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you do know theres a website you can go to that shows jimmy page basically stole every song and lots of solo's for the first 4 zeppelin albums right?
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Agree on most counts, all 3 were very different guitarists. Beck being more rooted in Fusion/Jazz, Clapton-Blues/Rock and Page more blues/metal. The only issue I have with Page and Clapton is that they have not composed anything new and exciting in years(unless you count Clapton's collaberation with J.J. Cale)Beck has tried to move on and do new work with some limited success. There all brilliant in their own way. I've heard the "Zep Rip-off" thing for years. Who am I to say it's not true. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
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Agree on most counts, all 3 were very different guitarists. Beck being more rooted in Fusion/Jazz, Clapton-Blues/Rock and Page more blues/metal. The only issue I have with Page and Clapton is that they have not composed anything new and exciting in years(unless you count Clapton's collaberation with J.J. Cale)Beck has tried to move on and do new work with some limited success. There all brilliant in their own way. I've heard the "Zep Rip-off" thing for years. Who am I to say it's not true. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
read this site:http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html
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Very good article, thanx. I really don't know what to say. If you believe the writer, and he does have compelling evidence, than Jimmy Page stole songs and "re-cycled" them, as to, claim them as his own. Pretty fuckin' sad if you ask me. I heard about the Willie Dixon rips years ago. Could it be that Page, in some forward thinking, knew that he could get away with this back then, reap the financial reward thru the years, have a couple court battles, Led Zep will eventually cease to exist, and he would still walk away with millions. If this is true, the guy's a complete fuckin' jag-off. This also could explain his complete lack of musical creative composition in the last few years. Maybe the fucker never had any to begin with. I don't listen to Zep that much anymore, but, I'm sure when I do, this will be in the back of my mind.
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your post was a little harsh but yeah if its true it explains a lot. some of the stuff in that article is obvious once i read it but i have most of those songs mentioned in the article and a few you really have to stretch to hear the connection. it does explain why all the new material jimmy page released after led zeppelin was crap except for the page/coverdale cd
I already had this conversation on the "Stairway to Heaven" topic. I have a simple responce "whatever!". Zep credited Dixon at least twice on the first album. You have no idea whether or not it was "Page" or Grant or some other aspect of the music industry that decided not to state where the root of certain songs came from. Back at this time there was all kinds of shit like that going on. Black Dog certainly wasnt written by one of those old blues men, nor was Livin Lovin Maid or many others. Whole Lotta love ? If the generic simpleton lyrics came from some blues song oh well, those old blues guys werent laying down riffs like Whole Lotta Love. If he took songs with him from the Yardbirds that he was involved with, that were unfinished or unsatisfactory and finished them up with another band.... once again "big fucking deal". Led Zeppelin had alot of songs and they all werent written by some old blues dude or fellow members of the Yardbirds. Lots of bands today only state that "all songs written arranged and performed" by the band. Yet we all know there was most likely one member that contributed the origional outline of the song. To me thats just an artical by a Yardbirds fan that wants to make the impression that Page and Led Zeppelin would have been nothing without "stealing" Yardbirds and old simpleton blues songs. Yet anyone born with a brain and living through the time period, knows this was common practice in the early days of rock and that Led Zeppelin pretty much single handedly redirected one direction of rock music and that was the development of riff based hardrock. A far cry from old black blues. PERIOD !
Im not making excuses but just reviewing that facts. Page is now 64 years old, I would not expect to hear any musical revelations in the past few decades. He was 41/42 during his stay with "The Firm". 44 when he released Outrider. 49 when he did Coverdale/Page. All four albums during this period had high points and lackluster songs. Zeppelin was in a steady decline from their hardrock roots from the beginning of Houses of the Holy and beyond. They were showing interest in exploring other styles and delivery of this sound. I'd would say the same of Pages later work. Plant really got adventurous. I have not been much of a fan of any of the later work as well as "In through the out Door". This is not because they did not write origional well produced music but because they were headed away from the Led Zeppelin I liked. I have "Presence" on vinyl and liked it alot way back. I now havent heard it in decades but I seriously doubt it was chalk full of stolen black blues and Yardbird songs.
Very few artists have produced better music in their later lives as they did with their origional bands when they were full of vitality and raw energy. Not really much difference between athletes and musicians. Being in your prime a short life span.
Jeff Beck - "Guitar Shop" is the only tape I have since Wired and Blow by Blow and I would have to say, he too peaked in the mid 70's with guitar shop only being quite interesting with a few great Beckish pieces. The same could be said of "Outrider" it has some classic Pageish blues and rock pieces but nothing that can compare to the early works of Led Zeppelin
Clapton - his career may be an exception to this as he has produced decent songs throughout. Nothing as out of the box as Beck and Page, more safe, so to speak.
Very few artists have produced better music in their later lives as they did with their origional bands when they were full of vitality and raw energy. Not really much difference between athletes and musicians. Being in your prime a short life span.
Jeff Beck - "Guitar Shop" is the only tape I have since Wired and Blow by Blow and I would have to say, he too peaked in the mid 70's with guitar shop only being quite interesting with a few great Beckish pieces. The same could be said of "Outrider" it has some classic Pageish blues and rock pieces but nothing that can compare to the early works of Led Zeppelin
Clapton - his career may be an exception to this as he has produced decent songs throughout. Nothing as out of the box as Beck and Page, more safe, so to speak.
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To those who care at all, my previous post was predicated on the article I read. I'm not naive to believe everything I read to be true. You want to use age as an excuse for lack of creativity go ahead, but, that's too easy man. Let's be realistic about this, and I hope I'm wrong about this, but, all of the musicians/guitarists mentioned, have done jack shit as of recent memory. I hope there will be a time when they get inspired. I am an avid music fan and listener. I spend my hard-earned money, which entitles me to discern what is worthy or not of a purchase. Remember, all of these posts by everyone are pre-meditated. I, for one, would welcome a musical debate with anyone here on Ultimate Metal, not just the Non-Metal section. Please, get your facts straight!!!
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Well, I really couldn't be bothered to read the entire article. Like BloodSword said "don't believe everything you read is true"... No one can tell me that all or most of those songs were not wrote by Page. Sure, I'm sure he got some ideas from other people, mainly blues men, but a ton of stuff that he did on those albums were not based around the blues. There are a ton of bogus articles floating around on the internet, don't take them to heart man.
Only album I have by Beck is "Guitar Shop"... It's an aight album... I've listened to it many times, but I just can't seem to really get into it. I'm sure some of the guy's other material is better, but if I had to judge him off all I have to go by I would say I prefer Page... They are both totally different though, so there you go. I should get a Yardbirds album. I also NEED to get "Presence" ASAP. I've never heard anything after "Physical Graffiti".
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