Just whipped out Projector..
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stardrowned
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historyphobic
King Chaos
Pomeo Osoponeor
Haha, is you've been listening to it non stop, how have you ever had chance to forget how good it is?
It is an amazing CD. Probably the only DT album I haven't listened to so much that I know it inside out, and musically, it's hard to get to know it inside out anyway. I still think for the style of dark tranquillity Haven is the Ultimate.
In the lead up to seeing them live I've just been all over fiction and Damage Done. I got white noise/black silence played at a club in leeds the other day. Not many people seemed to know who it was, but everyone digged it. We all rocked out obviously
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Blood-Mist
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I have the shirt
. But I didn't go to the tour **.I always listen to Projector a lot, but yeah as a matter of fact I've been listening to it a lot lately.
It seems that we fans of DT are somehow connected... :zombie:
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marduk1507
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I love this album. I have to listen to it today. Ill have a couple of Jagermeisters and then listen to it with headphones.
heavy metal
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here's the story, having just discovered dark tranquillity iv'e been starting with the newest albums and working backwards.fiction and charachter i simply adore,damage done is proving more of a test some of mikael's vocals remind me of some screamo bands,but still some great tracks.
now projector,all i can say is oh my god this is amazing and i bet at the time it wasn't very well received because of it's experimental nature.best thing is i have so much more to discover and it's 8 days till the york gig.
now projector,all i can say is oh my god this is amazing and i bet at the time it wasn't very well received because of it's experimental nature.best thing is i have so much more to discover and it's 8 days till the york gig.
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heavy metal
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thats true but i have been reading some album reviews and it was projector that caught my attention as something so different i had to check it out.damage done is really growing on me though as iv'e only given projector the spin once so far.
stizzleomnibus
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One of my favorite moments in Projector is at the end of "On your Time." There's the miniature false-ending, followed by the return of the song's main riff. The mind-bending moment for me is when the drums drop into 2/4 (or 4/4, but I think 2/4 works better) while the rest of the band stays in 10/16 (or 5/8, whatevs). I think that this section is the reason that they don't play this song live, as the two parts only synchronize at the 16th-note level. The album copy must have been recorded separately with metronomes and then pieced together.
You can't argue with Projector.
You can't argue with Projector.
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Are You Scared Enough?
Interesting. Do you think you could find out around what time in the song this takes place? For comparative purposes?
stizzleomnibus
Decisively Human
I don't have it handy (disc is in a box, and I'm in the process of fixing the file server with the music on it), but you can find it this way:
Near the end of the song, they play the last chorus, vocals scream, "If your touch was deeper than skin," as the music ends briefly while the vocal line ends. The drums come back, playing the rhythm while the opening riff returns.
Having written the above, I went ahead and looked up the timestamps. The tricky section comes in at exactly 4:38. Really, the entire song has some tricky timing jumps.
If you haven't studied music, the best reference for 5/8 or 10/16 time is the song's opening. If you count every drum beat in the opening and treat the number "1" as accent, the opening rhythm counts "123 123 12 12." The actual verses in the song (most of the song, really) are in 4/4 (the musical norm; if you can dance to it, it's probably 4/4), but it uses this riff frequently. I particularly enjoy its final iteration, where they really fuck with your mind.
Time changes and asymmetrical/syncopated timings are extremely common for this band. Another really cool moment is the keyboard breakdown in "At Loss for Words" or the chorus in "Feast of Burden."
Near the end of the song, they play the last chorus, vocals scream, "If your touch was deeper than skin," as the music ends briefly while the vocal line ends. The drums come back, playing the rhythm while the opening riff returns.
Having written the above, I went ahead and looked up the timestamps. The tricky section comes in at exactly 4:38. Really, the entire song has some tricky timing jumps.
If you haven't studied music, the best reference for 5/8 or 10/16 time is the song's opening. If you count every drum beat in the opening and treat the number "1" as accent, the opening rhythm counts "123 123 12 12." The actual verses in the song (most of the song, really) are in 4/4 (the musical norm; if you can dance to it, it's probably 4/4), but it uses this riff frequently. I particularly enjoy its final iteration, where they really fuck with your mind.
Time changes and asymmetrical/syncopated timings are extremely common for this band. Another really cool moment is the keyboard breakdown in "At Loss for Words" or the chorus in "Feast of Burden."
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Just listened to it. I see what you mean, I never noticed it before, but it is apparent. I do know a bit about musical theory, more on that below.
That's really cool of you to point out. I've not read much about the technical skill of this band (of which I have increased respect for) or found out about it myself because it usually takes a back seat to the emphatic melodies and other aspects of the music I enjoy (IMO). I did play an instrument (I wish I still did) and can read music/know about time signatures. I'm not good at recognizing anything beyond 4/4, 3/3, or 2/4, so that's probably why I didn't pick up on it.
The concept reminds me of Meshuggah. They'll have the crash symbol going at 4/4, and the guitars will be at like 37/14 (I just made that up, I don't even know or suppose that's a real signature) or something ridiculous. Those types of signatures I'd have to see to understand/recognize.
Thanks for pointing this out. Like I said before, I usually pay more attention to the melodies and artistic content of this particular band (DT), as opposed to its technicality. But as a fan of bands like Meshuggah/Necrophagist/Cephalic Carnage/Cynic (USA) etc. etc. etc. its something I definitely appreciate.
rahvin
keeper of the flame
Indeed it is. On your time is one of my favorite songs, and even though I know nothing about music I'm tempted to look up other songs (maybe even by other bands) with a similar notation to check if those do the trick for me as well.
