look at all the places we bombed since the end of WWII

[minxnim]

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

none of them have ever turned into nice happy democracies that were nice to their citizens either,

 

[FalseTodd]

none of them have ever turned into nice happy democracies that were nice to their citizens either,


What about Korea?!?!

 

[minxnim]

ask some koreans dude!

 

[azal]

correction...yugoslavia is doing fairly well.

there's a bit of an economic struggle, but the government is running kinda OK.

the biggest problem currently is rebuilding stuff that was bombed for no reason. good job US.

 

[FalseTodd]

Now comes the difficult part where I can't tell if you didn't get my joke or if I didn't get yours...

 

[minxnim]

i got yours and mine was stupid.

 

[FalseTodd]

I am simultaneously relieved and embarassed.

 

[minxnim]

haha i have no idea why you'd be embarrassed but i find it amusing in a strange way.

 

[azal]

prep you're gonna lose some reputation points because of that bad joke.
sorry.

 

[xfer]

i think South Korea is in pretty great shape, excepting the DPRK artillery poised to annihilate Seoul.

 

[minxnim]

azal, i have like, no sense of humor, have you not noticed?
also, south korea certainly isn't doing well on account of us. we fucked them up worse than a drunk girl with a bad tattoo at a frat party.

 

[xfer]

if the UN hadn't stepped in, i think south korea would be doing a heckuva lot worse than they are now.

also, starcraft came from america.

 

[minxnim]

well, we are not completely the UN.

also, it's conjecture to say how much worse/better a country would be doing with different situations really.
but let's face it. we didn't have their best interests in mind and we never do with countries that we intervene with.

 

[xfer]

well, yeah, but the Korean War of 1950-53 that you cited was a UN action, not a US action; the US was requested to provide the muscle and thus took the brunt of the casualties/caused most of the damage.

i don't think it's really conjecture, given the miserable state of life in the DPRK right now. i mean, it's possible that something fantastical and bizarre and unforseen could have happened, like the fall of Seoul provoked Rev. Moon's alien brethren to come down and provide Earth with eternal-orgasm technology, but we can't really bank on the unlikelies.

the US never has other countries' best interests completely in mind, but neither do other countries ever have other countries' best interests in mind. the best that can be done is to marry incidentals and interests, and i think that was definitely done in Korea.

 

[minxnim]

it's totally a conjecture because well, you can't ever tell what a country lacking our assistance could do for itself.

also, i think in the korean war the US went a little too far, further than they were asked to once they realized what their interest in it could really be, which has been asserted by a lot of americans.

 

[xfer]

of course not, but like i said, the likelihood is extremely high things would have gone worse in korea if not for international assistance.

i think the existence of the DPRK is evidence that the UN did not go far enough. i mean, had the Southern forces pushed farther there probably would've been nuclear exchange, so i'm not necessarily saying it was the wrong decision...