I recently picked up 'Turn Loose the Swans' because everyone kept on claiming it was such a milestone plus I love Doom and the other Peaceville crew....but I thought it was cock and really, really boring. Is it a grower? They just seem to play random atonal chords. It wasn't nearly heavy enough to constitute proper doom, nor melodic enough to be sadly gothic. I think I'll stick with Paradise Lost for my English doom.