new bass test

[clarbaden]

used a bass amp sim this time.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2412166/bass miX test.mp3

 

[clarbaden]

re upload with out muddy guitar
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2412166/basstest.re.mp3

 

[Jordon]

It still doesn't really sound like a bass. It doesn't have the punch and low end girth that you would expect from a bass.

 

[clarbaden]

hmmm i dont know what to do lol, i think im gonna have to use a virtual bass, coz the dry d.i sucks and when i use the pitch shifter it sucks even more and the clarity of it disapears

 

[Jordon]

How are you pitching it? Something like Melodyne might work better than just throwing an octave shift on it.

 

[clarbaden]

im using the reaper one, peice o shit, cant use it while recording because theres like a 1 second delay, so i have to bypass the plugin when record so all i hear is the dry di guitar

 

[Jordon]

I did a quick test. This is a clip of a new song from my band. The first clip was done with a MusicMan Stingray 4 string tuned to A#. The 2nd is a PRS Custom 22, both pickups selected (Tremonti Treble in the bridge, Dragon II in the neck).

MusicMan Stingray 4-String Bass
Pitched Guitar as Bass

There are 3 tracks of bass in each example: DI, Bass AMP, Bass DIRTY.

The Stingray was DI'd into ProTools and run through Ampeg SVX for the amp track. For the dirty track, it had a slight compression on it, then it was run through the TSS plugin into LeCab with the Catharsis Fredman impulses.

I had to realign the tracks by hand because of the delay introduced into the Amp and Dirty tracks from the plugins. The phase also needed to be flipped on those tracks. They were then compressed and eq'd to taste. The Dirty track has an exciter throw on it with light settings.


For the pitched-guitar-as-bass track, I ran the guitar direct into PT8 and tracked the part. It was then pitched down with Melodyne, and then ran into the RedShift Pickup Replacer on the "Generic Bass Gtr Single." From there, I applied the same amplification and distortion settings as the other tracks and compressed and eq'd them to taste as well.


My conclusion:

It's hard to replace a nice, real bass. There's a lot missing in the pitched guitar tracks. They don't have the spank and growl that the real bass does, of course a lot of that is the "MusicMan sound."

 

[clarbaden]

cheers for you input man, i see what you mean, i think pitched guitar dosent have the same dynamics as the real one, but still a useable product for a mix if done correctly,
heres a new mix with vst bass... what you think, i might being overdoing it with the distortion and might have lost clarity.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2412166/BASS test.mp3

 

[MEGA DAVE]

the second one sounded better, especially on the guitars, cant even hear the bass on the 3rd one

 

[clarbaden]

yeah i think i put too much distortion on it and not even bass so the guitars are conflicting with it

 

[Jordon]

Try posting a mix of just the drums and bass.

 

[clarbaden]

for reason when i exported this it changed the pitch of the bass LOL weird
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2412166/DRUMS &BASS test.mp3