its alright. doesnt live up to expectations (as has about 90% of all that has been released this year). the production is great of course. more orchestration,which is a plus. the songs are just kinda blah. nothing real special like PEM. I like half the ablum, the other half I can do w/o. tracks 2 and 3 are my favs. track 8 (I cant remember) has a killer, almost 2 min orchestral intro, then goes to shit. lots of slow - mid paced songs on this album. wont be buying it or burning it.