North American Union?

[Climb Thar Hill]

Am I behind the times? Has anybody heard about this?

 

[Guthrum]

If it's what I think it is, then yes, I've heard about it. If it happens, we're fecked on more levels than one.

 

[Climb Thar Hill]

Seriously. I was like Dale Gribble reading into this shit last night and becoming all angry and paranoid.

 

[NAD]

Shatner Stealing Mexico Toucher = thing of the past

 

[cthulufhtagn]

i get the feeling most americans, naive/ignorant/dumb though they are for the most part, would be strongly against it

 

[MajestikMøøse]

Fuck you, don't come knocking on our door when your dollar becomes bullshit and are facing billion dollar debts from your shitty war.


That said, I doubt most Canadian citizens would go for it. They're too entrenched in their hippie multikulti crap to give into monolithic American enormity of HEY EAT AT MACDONALDS BITCH

 

[NAD]

FYI: US is already trillions in debt just due to basic "investment" principles.

Wars = a few pennies chucked at homeless children

Click RELOAD it's fun for the whole family to watch it climb!

 

[NAD]

So hey, Katatonia next month, aye?

Yeah so I was hosed the night I bought those and didn't realize it happened until I checked my credit card a few days later.

Your work called and said if you don't show up tomorrow, don't bother coming in on Monday.
Woo-hoo, 4-day weekend!

 

[Climb Thar Hill]

So hey, Katatonia next month, aye?

Yeah so I was hosed the night I bought those and didn't realize it happened until I checked my credit card a few days later.

Your work called and said if you don't show up tomorrow, don't bother coming in on Monday.
Woo-hoo, 4-day weekend!

Yup, Sept.19th, homeslice. Be there or be square. We'll need plenty of skittlebrau

 

[NAD]

Oh goody!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7306

by Hal Lindsey

Global Research, November 11, 2007
WorldNetDaily

Crude oil prices hit an all-time high this week, closing above $98 a barrel for the first time in history.

According to the AAA, many drivers in my home state of California are already paying more than $4 a gallon for regular unleaded gas. And in one town south of Big Sur, unleaded gas topped $5 a gallon.

The U.S. dollar is at an all-time low, even when compared against the hapless Canadian loonie. Five years ago, a loonie was worth 60 cents. Today, it's worth $1.12 and climbing.

Yesterday, WorldNetDaily reported that the Chinese are considering abandoning the U.S. dollar as their national reserve currency. WND quoted Craig Smith's assessment of the consequences of such a move by Beijing on our economy: "If that were to happen, all bets are off, and we will be in a depression that makes 1929 look like child's play, or we will experience Weimar Republic inflation as the dollar makes extreme moves toward devaluations."

On Tuesday, the U.S. national debt topped $9 trillion for the first time in history, according to the U.S. Treasury Department's daily accounting of the national debt. Nine trillion dollars! The number is so staggeringly high that it exceeds our ability to comprehend it in monetary units.

Million, billion, trillion – in financial terms, for most of us, it means a lot of money, really a lot of money, but that is about as specific a picture as most ordinary people can grasp.

Let's put all these "illions" into perspective. A million seconds is roughly 12 days, whereas a billion seconds is approximately 32 years.

We understand dollars. And we understand time. So it would take 12 days to pay back a million dollars at a dollar a second. But if you started right now, you'd pay back a BILLION dollars, at a dollar a second, in the year 2039.

A trillion seconds is roughly 32 thousand years. At a dollar a second, you'd pay back a TRILLION dollars in the year 34007.

The U.S. debt stands at $9 trillion. If my calculator is working, then at a dollar a second, the U.S. could be debt- free in the year 290007.

The point of that little exercise was two-fold. The first was to clarify the sheer volume of the debt; the second was to demonstrate the possibility that anybody in government really believes we can ever pay it off.

Each U.S. citizen's share of the national debt works out, according to the National Debt clock, to $29,947.50. That means the average American family of five owes, collectively, $149,737.50.

It also means that unless the average American family of five has a net worth of at least $149,737,50 in assets excluding liabilities (they don't), America is already bankrupt.

Over the past few years, there has been growing public concern about the emerging "Security and Prosperity Partnership" plan that some say is really a "deceptive roadmap" to a coming North American Union and a new, unified currency tentatively called the "amero."

The feds steadfastly deny such a plan exists, even as it opens the borders to Mexican truck traffic, widens the I-35 corridor from Mexico to Canada and, counterintuitively, refuses to tighten the borders with either Mexico or Canada, despite both logic and widespread public demand.

All of these things have brought me to believe that powerful forces outside of our government – like the shadowy international Money Trust members of the "Bilderberg Group" – made a decision to force the formation of the North American Union along with the amero. There decisions have been instituted in the past via the Trilateral Commission, which is the dba for the nefarious Conference on Foreign Relations. Destroying the American dollar could force the crisis that would force the creation of the North American Union. To quote the title of a book of the 1960s era, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy."

Ordinary Americans may not fully grasp just how dire the true economic picture is, but you can bet our leaders do. Yet from the White House to the Federal Reserve, nobody seems particularly eager to address the issue, preferring instead to talk about the "budget," as if the budget WERE the debt, rather than merely a measure of our ability to keep up with our payments on the debt.

It is almost as if they already have a Plan B in reserve, ready and waiting to be triumphantly introduced – just in the nick of time.

I wonder what it might be?

I can't believe people aren't absolutely panicking over gas prices right now. The number of superlarge F350s on 44" Boggers has declined over the past year or so, but I've chalked that up to reposessions and foreclosures more than actually thinking through that $450 / month gas bill so many people tack on to their already overcooked credit cards.

A few months ago I blew $250 in gas and I average over 20mpg. Consequently, I only drive when I have to. This isn't going to get better, likely ever. My biggest question: why is every fluid in my car synthetic, except the most-necessary fuel?

 

[General Zod]

The guy who wrote that article is a certifiable loon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Lindsey

Zod

 

[Reign in Acai]

How can the Chinese abandon the American dollar as their national reserve currency without collapsing their own economy?!? The two countries have forged an inter-dependent relationship with one another.


We should bomb them and take our money back.

 

[General Zod]

We should bomb them and take our money back.

As I said, the guy is a loon. While I'm certainly not going to state that our escalating debt isn't a huge issue, no nation is going to make a move that would send us spiraling into a long-term depression. Our economy is simply too large and too important to world markets, that a depression in this country wouldn't create a world wide depression or recession.

Here's my question... what happens if we elected to default on our debt? Unlike any other nation in history, we're in a very, very unique situation, in regard to military might and natural resources. Understand, I'm not advocating such a move, just trying to understand how it all works.

Zod

 

[Dark One]

Here's my question... what happens if we elected to default on our debt? Unlike any other nation in history, we're in a very, very unique situation, in regard to military might and natural resources. Understand, I'm not advocating such a move, just trying to understand how it all works.

Just declare bankruptcy and let the courts absolve us of all debt. Then after 7 years, foreign creditors can no longer bother The White House with those annoying calls from collections agencies. Home free!

 

[Reign in Acai]

Here's my question... what happens if we elected to default on our debt? Unlike any other nation in history, we're in a very, very unique situation, in regard to military might and natural resources. Understand, I'm not advocating such a move, just trying to understand how it all works.

Zod

I was thinking this exact same question moments ago. It would be an interesting turn of events indeed.


This is a good time to add gold to your portfolio, an ounce is selling for $850 shekels atm, with insiderspredicting that it may soar to $2-3k levels in the near future. It's a real sensitive investment though, any little thing in the financial sector can cause the gold boom to come crashing down as quickly as it went up.

 

[lurch70]

funny you mention that ... a lot of my Jewish friends' parents have been talking a lot about gold lately

 

[Reign in Acai]

I want some gold, I'm either going to hunt down a Leprechaun or become a dentist in Compton. If you're a little apprehensive about purchasing pure gold, investing in mining company stock is a wise investment.

 

[lurch70]

 

[lurch70]

yes, a canadian one

 

[Mormagil]

funny you mention that ... a lot of my Jewish friends' parents have been talking a lot about gold lately

...Only lately?