Novembers Doom

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Discovered them quite recently (I know, I should have before and it sounds strange even more in here :lol: ) and I think they are a band that really brought and brings still nowadays innovation..even if I see that in every topic in here they are compared to Opeth but I can't really see the matter of comparation since common stuff (for me) is limited to semi acoustic parts (that I love in each of the bands).

Btw, great band!

Last thing: how did they get started? I don't know much 'bout Chicago scene (living in Europe makes you know really well just the "bigger" Bay Area, NY and Florida realities)
 
You hit the nail on the head.
Unlike bands tagged as such, Novembers Doom truly progress with each release.
No two albums are exactly the same.

Do a "Google" search, as there are various documents out there of the history of the band.

Also, you might want to seek out the book "The Wayfaring Chronicles" that Paul (vocalist) wrote. He details the story behind the lyrics for each song. This too will give a lot of insight to the band, and where the members where at that particular moment in time.

Glad you discovered them!!!

So what material (albums, songs) have you heard by them that drew you in?

For me personally, it was the Knowing that caught my attention.
The Pale Haunt Departure though was the album that made me a fanboy.
 
I first heard of ND about 2 years ago now, and never heard a note by them until TPHD...and DAMN, I knew I hit the jackpot with these guys. Great guitar work, a fantastic drummer, great lyrics, killer riffs...and one of the best metal vocalists...PERIOD!

The guys fom the band are very active here (at least Paul, Vito and Larry anyway), and this is another element that I love about them. They are real, and very courteous.

As for the Opeth comparsions...well, they have elements in common (they both do heavy and soft EXTREMELY well, phenomenal vocalist who can switch from clean to harsh vocals seemlessly, a tendency toward "progressive" music, etc.), but I agree that the comparsion can get a bit "old". I'm sure the ND guys arer tired of hearing it! :lol:
 
To say we're tired of hearing it is an understatement LOL Yep, there's similarities in style to a degree. But truthfully we only get angry when people say we're copying them or that we're some 2nd rate wanna-bes, because that couldn't be farther from the truth. Anyhow I've talked about this plenty before, you can find it in old threads if you really want to know what we think about that haha

The Chicago metal scene may never have been as prominent or influential as the other well-known U.S. scenes, but there've been some great and unique bands that came from here. And yknow as far as this particular kind of metal goes (doom/death style), in fact Chicago had some excellent bands here that existed at the same time as more well-regarded European counterparts were also just starting. Just off the top of my head we had Novembers Doom, Dead Serenade, Contagion, Maimed, Avernus, Eve Of Mourning.....and all of these bands started venturing into that doom/death style roughly between the years of 1989 and 1993. Most of us in these bands used to trade demo tapes with the likes of My Dying Bride and Anathema back in those early days. But those bands and their European brethren got signed quicker, and got noticed much sooner than the Chicago bands did, many of the Chicago bands unfortunately not making it into the latter half of the Nineties, so people around the world generally presumed the rest of us here just "copied" those Euro bands, which is an unfortunate misunderstanding. Anyhow those bands I mentioned, along with the likes of Sindrome, Macabre, Usurper, Trouble, and other bands made for a pretty solid and interesting metal scene here back in those days. If you or anyone else are interested in that stuff, I suggest seeking it out, there's some really quality stuff there that's largely been lost to the ages.

I'm glad alot of people seem to be coming along with us, or jumping on board, on these last two albums we've released. We can't promise that you'll always love every single change or progression we make along the way, but we can guarantee you that it always happens because it's what we truly want to do at that time, and that's what is coming out of us naturally. We'll never be bandwagon jumpers or sell-out for the bigger bucks.
 
Thanks to everyone (band members too, don't know so many bands that are keen on answering fans) I'd have never expected so many replies!

'bout you and Opeth: it's one of my favourite bands but I think that the two underground scenes (what a bad term!) that you and them come from are pretty different; doom/death has got its roots in UK (and in Illinois, now that I know..thx a lot) while they are clearly inspired by Florida and older swedish bands; ok acoustic parts are present but I feel them like different in each one.

Chicago: Again thanks, I'm going to inform (does this word exist :lol: ?) myself about alle those bands (just hearing their names inspires me very much!); what a pity that all the us scene went out of their city reality later (especially if you were in contact with bands like Anathema when you all and them all were not famous but just tape trading; this makes me suppose that the evolution in the sound has been parallel but people has noticed before the UK's one)..

Albums: I have to admit (as already said) that I came across you listening to the last two albums, but I loved the rest immediately! I'm not waiting for albums that I like, I think it would be musicians' death to please all the fans and only them, I'm waiting for albums that you like and that probably will get along with my tastes as they've done up to now!
The only exception is if you're going to sing with Britney Spears/Paris Hilton! :lol:
 
You have similarities in style to LOTS of bands...Opeth just happens to be one of them. Hell, it seems EVERYBODY gets compared to them, and it's getting cliche. Anybody who says you are "copying" them is an idiot, and "second-rate wannabees" ??? :ill: ...these people need a new brain and a new set of ears.
 
We're lucky to have some very cool people who like our band, and we're thankful for that. So we try to keep in contact as much as we can, I'm glad that some people do appreciate it :)

As for what you said about the evolution being parallel between bands like ours and Anathema, MDB, etc., that's exactly the point we've been making for years. Those guys are the same ages as we are, and ultimately the difference in geography doesn't make that much of a difference really. We all grew up listening to bands like Sabbath, Trouble, Celtic Frost, Possessed, Slayer, Pink Floyd, etc. Of course we would trade tapes with these bands and there was a mutual regard and like for what each other was doing with their respective music. But neither was copying each other, really, we were just kinda walking down that same path. People like to romanticise things and say "Oh its 'cause they're from Britain and its the legacy of Sabbath, it's some big movement!" And the truth is, those UK bands got signed and famous first because a.) they were all very talented and most people found it to be something new and different, and b.) they had the fortune of having labels like Peaceville who believed in them (and were local) and helped bring them to the eyes and ears of the world. The European metal scene were much more embracing of the death/doom style than the U.S. metal scene was (and still kinda arent really) so for the U.S. bands we had to labor in obscurity for a while longer. Anyhow, point is, those U.K. bands deserve all the praise and popularity they've gotten because I think they're great. But just because I admire them doesn't mean we heard them and said "hey lets do THAT!" Actually that might be more true of when I first heard Celtic Frost "Into The Pandemonium" and early Winter and Autopsy tapes! :)

Same thing with Opeth really.....I think we tend to have similar tastes and influences as Opeth, and as we've progressed on our instruments and gotten better at writing songs and making albums, we've been able to draw more upon our various influences. I adore stuff like Pink Floyd, or The Beatles, or even stuff like Yes and Van Der Graaf Generator, those are all influences on me, not to mention stuff like Pestilence and Morbid Angel and Carnage and Bolt Thrower.....so if you mix those influences, odds are, you're gonna wind up walking some of the same road that Mikael and co. are walking too. Though I don't claim to be half as talented as he is! That guy is fantastic.

Yeah it IS getting cliche for everyone to be compared to Opeth, and usually its because of very broad things like "well they mix heavy guitars with acoustics" or "they have growls and clean vocals"....it's like, nobody ever did this before?? haha And let's face it, Opeth are very unique and have a very particular sound, I think it's very hard for anyone to really sound like Opeth.

Inevitably, when almost every kind of crossbreeding of styles and sounds has already been done in metal these days, you can be compared to SOMETHING out there, it's virtually impossible nowadays to do something where people say "That sounds like nothing else out there" without it being pretty off the wall and crazy haha
 
I also think a lot of these bogus comparisons you mention are from people simply not having heard enough different bands, and trying to find SOMETHING to compare a band to, since you're always hearing people ask "well, who do they sound like"? Since they have to draw off of their own personal experience, and haven't experienced a band that ACTUALLY DOES compare closely to the band in question, they just throw something out there (like comparing Enslaved to Opeth :zombie:). I'm guilty of this, as I have compared you guys to Opeth in the past. I have seen the errors of my ways, and will not continue to perpetuate the beating of this long-dead horse :)

Wow, this was sort of rambling...hope it made sense o_O
 
We're lucky to have some very cool people who like our band, and we're thankful for that. So we try to keep in contact as much as we can, I'm glad that some people do appreciate it :)

As for what you said about the evolution being parallel between bands like ours and Anathema, MDB, etc., that's exactly the point we've been making for years. Those guys are the same ages as we are, and ultimately the difference in geography doesn't make that much of a difference really. We all grew up listening to bands like Sabbath, Trouble, Celtic Frost, Possessed, Slayer, Pink Floyd, etc. Of course we would trade tapes with these bands and there was a mutual regard and like for what each other was doing with their respective music. But neither was copying each other, really, we were just kinda walking down that same path. People like to romanticise things and say "Oh its 'cause they're from Britain and its the legacy of Sabbath, it's some big movement!" And the truth is, those UK bands got signed and famous first because a.) they were all very talented and most people found it to be something new and different, and b.) they had the fortune of having labels like Peaceville who believed in them (and were local) and helped bring them to the eyes and ears of the world. The European metal scene were much more embracing of the death/doom style than the U.S. metal scene was (and still kinda arent really) so for the U.S. bands we had to labor in obscurity for a while longer. Anyhow, point is, those U.K. bands deserve all the praise and popularity they've gotten because I think they're great. But just because I admire them doesn't mean we heard them and said "hey lets do THAT!" Actually that might be more true of when I first heard Celtic Frost "Into The Pandemonium" and early Winter and Autopsy tapes! :)

Same thing with Opeth really.....I think we tend to have similar tastes and influences as Opeth, and as we've progressed on our instruments and gotten better at writing songs and making albums, we've been able to draw more upon our various influences. I adore stuff like Pink Floyd, or The Beatles, or even stuff like Yes and Van Der Graaf Generator, those are all influences on me, not to mention stuff like Pestilence and Morbid Angel and Carnage and Bolt Thrower.....so if you mix those influences, odds are, you're gonna wind up walking some of the same road that Mikael and co. are walking too. Though I don't claim to be half as talented as he is! That guy is fantastic.

Yeah it IS getting cliche for everyone to be compared to Opeth, and usually its because of very broad things like "well they mix heavy guitars with acoustics" or "they have growls and clean vocals"....it's like, nobody ever did this before?? haha And let's face it, Opeth are very unique and have a very particular sound, I think it's very hard for anyone to really sound like Opeth.

Inevitably, when almost every kind of crossbreeding of styles and sounds has already been done in metal these days, you can be compared to SOMETHING out there, it's virtually impossible nowadays to do something where people say "That sounds like nothing else out there" without it being pretty off the wall and crazy haha

I think Into The Pandemonium is the first real experimenting "metal" album; has influenced me really much and is doing the same now (probably will continue in the future)..CF aren't really a techincal or musically educated band (it's almost the opposite :lol: ) and despite this, they bred their primal thrash/black/doom/death/whatever with '80's new wave (the chorus of I won't dance could be a Duran Duran song :lol: ).
Said this, I mostly agree with you 'bout everything..:)
 
I also think a lot of these bogus comparisons you mention are from people simply not having heard enough different bands, and trying to find SOMETHING to compare a band to, since you're always hearing people ask "well, who do they sound like"? Since they have to draw off of their own personal experience, and haven't experienced a band that ACTUALLY DOES compare closely to the band in question, they just throw something out there (like comparing Enslaved to Opeth :zombie:). I'm guilty of this, as I have compared you guys to Opeth in the past. I have seen the errors of my ways, and will not continue to perpetuate the beating of this long-dead horse :)

Wow, this was sort of rambling...hope it made sense o_O

I don't think using comparisons as a means of informing people about bands is a bad thing. I've even used the Opeth thing about ND myself, when speaking with someone who I realise doesn't know much about Edge of Sanity, etc., when they want to know what style we play I will sometimes say "It's kinda in that Opeth vein". I don't think that's a bad thing. It's only when, as I said before, people say "Oh ND are just ripping off Opeth, they're just following what Opeth does". That's when I get bummed out and when I feel it's unfair. That's all really. So I mean yknow it doesn't offend me at all if you guys say to someone "Hey if you like Opeth, you should check out ND". I take that as a compliment really. :)
 
I agree with Larry.
Lots of times I use comparisons for certain bands that to those in the know would be bad generalizations, based on who I am speaking with.

Unfortunately, many reviewers tend to play it safe and tend to use the most known bands in each specific genre when comparing bands. (IE - Every trad doom band compared to Sabbath, power metal compared to Helloween, etc, etc).

Those of us who actually listen to these bands know that even within each subgenre, you can't in fairness generalize every band in that genre to one band.

On the flipside though, in this case, considering the growing fanbase of Opeth, it could benefit a band like Novembers Doom. Opeth is currently attracting a younger mainstream audience that might not otherwise investigate a band like ND, if they were not compared to Opeth.
 
I agree with Larry.
Lots of times I use comparisons for certain bands that to those in the know would be bad generalizations, based on who I am speaking with.

Unfortunately, many reviewers tend to play it safe and tend to use the most known bands in each specific genre when comparing bands. (IE - Every trad doom band compared to Sabbath, power metal compared to Helloween, etc, etc).

Those of us who actually listen to these bands know that even within each subgenre, you can't in fairness generalize every band in that genre to one band.

On the flipside though, in this case, considering the growing fanbase of Opeth, it could benefit a band like Novembers Doom. Opeth is currently attracting a younger mainstream audience that might not otherwise investigate a band like ND, if they were not compared to Opeth.

Good point!
 
okey
I like this band, and now I'm looking for her tears drop ( demo 1995) but can't find it :(
so can anyone help me?
 
Good luck! Even we in the band don't have extra copies of that anymore. I have one copy, I think Paul only has one copy at this point, and the other guys don't have any copies to my knowledge lol It's possible that some of the older guys like Eric or Steve might have a copy they are willing to part with.