Randall isolation cab

[elmuchoescadawg]

Yeah, I've been avoiding this thread 'cause I'm tired of repeating myself but here I go again.
I've had it for a year and I'm getting rid of it any day now.

When I first got it I realized that it was not quiet. It just muffled the sound a bit so I built an iso box and lined it with owen cornings 703 and this helped quiet it immensly though lots of bass frequencies leaked out. I couldn't get a great tone out of a 57 or i5 but "thought" an AT4040 condenser worked nicely with it. I was pretty happy/content with it at that point but since I got a 5150, I found I get a much better tone just micing my cab at medium/low volume with an attenuator.

You can hear it here on a song I reamped for Peter from Bloodsoaked with the 5150 and krankenstein. (click the "raw" version)
As you can hear, it is muffled, bass heavy and simply not very great at all.
I tried different amp settings including lots of presence and minimal bass which is what I ended up using.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=525552

Here is another clip with it using an Ampeg ss-150 solid state amp only.
This amp sounds great. You can hear the clip still has that muffled/boxed in/lack of gloss and shine tone.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/92146-SS-1502tksisocab.mp3

This thing is history.

I'm just gonna save this and copy and paste it when these threads come up.
lol.

Thats really strange Ive had totally the opposite experience with mine. what do you think of the tones I got on the link above?

 

[Amberience]

Tbh.... I'd think those boxes would make your sound sound boxy. Ever put your head into a box and said something to yourself, or in a small cupboard?? It just wouldn't work for me. I want a biggish room, and a duvet - simple and effective.

 

[elmuchoescadawg]

Tbh.... I'd think those boxes would make your sound sound boxy. Ever put your head into a box and said something to yourself, or in a small cupboard?? It just wouldn't work for me. I want a biggish room, and a duvet - simple and effective.

Like I said before check out http://www.myspace.com/therotted all the guitars on here are 5150mk2 into isocab

 

[Amberience]

Like I said before check out http://www.myspace.com/therotted all the guitars on here are 5150mk2 into isocab

Can't really hear the tone of the guitars behind those drums and vocals. Full mixes are not good for demonstrating this kind of thing, imo.

 

[Metaltastic]

See, I prefer hearing an amp/cab in a full mix, cuz I really don't care how it sounds on its own, as long as it sounds good in the context of a song.

 

[Amberience]

See, I prefer hearing an amp/cab in a full mix, cuz I really don't care how it sounds on its own, as long as it sounds good in the context of a song.

The reason I want to hear things on their own is because I'm a subtractive type of guy. I want to capture something in its fullest, and then take away from it with processing - I would prefer a very high quality piece of equipment that I could choose to degrade myself.

For all I know, those demos with the isolation cab, the production could be hiding some nasty biases to certain frequency ranges and even some horrid distortion of the speaker. Things could've been EQ'd out, and you'd never know - because you cannot truly hear a single aspect of a song once it is all congealed together into a produced piece of music. Also a good reason to sit down with just guitarists and not the drummer in your band, so you can hear everything clearly, but I digress....

You just don't know how something truly sounds without hearing it yourself. Next best thing is to hear clear recordings of it. Next best thing after that is to hear it in a mix.

imo.

 

[Radd]

Thats really strange Ive had totally the opposite experience with mine. what do you think of the tones I got on the link above?

I can definitely hear that boxy sound a bit and it does sound muffled but then again the whole mix sounds muffled. It just doesn't have that living, breathing shine and gloss that I think we all try to produce here and that is so professional.
I know the myspace player isn't helping any.
Cool songs though.

 

[noarin]

+1 on Amberience's statement.

 

[Djabthrash]

Ive got one and I love it. The low mids do sound different but you just have to dial your tones in differently..Ive used it on loads of stuff recently..

http://www.myspace.com/therotted

I did both these songs with a 5150mk2 into the isocab.

Been listening to this album for a few days now... i totally dig it. Great in your face grindcore.

 

[elmuchoescadawg]

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For all I know, those demos with the isolation cab

It just doesn't have that living, breathing shine and gloss that I think we all try to produce here and that is so professional.
I know the myspace player isn't helping any.
Cool songs though.

LOL my badly produced demo is currently available in stores on metal blade.. Getting some good press too. LOL back to the drawing board..

 

[Shredfiend]

I have an ISO cab. I agree about the boxy sound. I had it for a year and could get past the boxy tone. I was going to sell it but I eneded up ripping out randall's worth soundproofing and replaced it with araulex foam. I alo replaced the v30 with g1275. The araulex made a huge difference in tone.

I think rivera has an iso cab in the works.

 

[Radd]

LOL my badly produced demo is currently available in stores on metal blade.. Getting some good press too. LOL back to the drawing board..

I'm not sure how to read that. While I certainly didn't want to offend you, I gave my honest opinion. Surely you can understand my point in the previous post.
I think thats great that you're on metal blade and doing good.

 

[006]

The reason I want to hear things on their own is because I'm a subtractive type of guy. I want to capture something in its fullest, and then take away from it with processing - I would prefer a very high quality piece of equipment that I could choose to degrade myself.

For all I know, those demos with the isolation cab, the production could be hiding some nasty biases to certain frequency ranges and even some horrid distortion of the speaker. Things could've been EQ'd out, and you'd never know - because you cannot truly hear a single aspect of a song once it is all congealed together into a produced piece of music. Also a good reason to sit down with just guitarists and not the drummer in your band, so you can hear everything clearly, but I digress....

You just don't know how something truly sounds without hearing it yourself. Next best thing is to hear clear recordings of it. Next best thing after that is to hear it in a mix.

imo.

Things like this sound really retarded to me. This is just like the fucking never-ending debate over which booster (TS9/TS7/OD808/blablabla) is/sounds the "best"....where in the end nobody on their very best day could tell the difference in a mix. Just like reamping guitars, by themselves, as shown by my own tests that are on this forum, you can hear slight differences...but in a mix those differences mean exactly shit. Your strain of logic on this iso cab makes no sense to me. You want something to sound good before it goes into a mix, the problem with that is that it doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good once you start adding drums, bass, other guitars and vocals and whatever else in with it. Likewise, something may sound like ass by itself, but sound simply amazing within a mix. Sometimes I seriously wish people would post up random clips and not reveal what was used for no reason other than to weed out the bullshitters and people that base their opinion on a predertermined bias once they already know what was used. If you don't like the idea of an iso cab, and somebody shows you a clip of one in a mix, and you know that it is being used before you hear it, you will already have a biased opinion on it. Nobody is exempt from that, it's just what happens. Sorry if I'm being harsh, it just gets old.

~006

 

[elmuchoescadawg]

I'm not sure how to read that. While I certainly didn't want to offend you, I gave my honest opinion. Surely you can understand my point in the previous post.
I think thats great that you're on metal blade and doing good.

LOL dont worry I really didnt mind..

 

[Amberience]

Things like this sound really retarded to me. This is just like the fucking never-ending debate over which booster (TS9/TS7/OD808/blablabla) is/sounds the "best"....where in the end nobody on their very best day could tell the difference in a mix. Just like reamping guitars, by themselves, as shown by my own tests that are on this forum, you can hear slight differences...but in a mix those differences mean exactly shit. Your strain of logic on this iso cab makes no sense to me. You want something to sound good before it goes into a mix, the problem with that is that it doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good once you start adding drums, bass, other guitars and vocals and whatever else in with it. Likewise, something may sound like ass by itself, but sound simply amazing within a mix. Sometimes I seriously wish people would post up random clips and not reveal what was used for no reason other than to weed out the bullshitters and people that base their opinion on a predertermined bias once they already know what was used. If you don't like the idea of an iso cab, and somebody shows you a clip of one in a mix, and you know that it is being used before you hear it, you will already have a biased opinion on it. Nobody is exempt from that, it's just what happens. Sorry if I'm being harsh, it just gets old.

~006

Do you have downs syndrome?? Seriously, you're putting words in my mouth completely.

How in the fuck do you equate:

I want to capture something in its fullest, and then take away from it with processing

you cannot truly hear a single aspect of a song once it is all congealed together into a produced piece of music.

You just don't know how something truly sounds without hearing it yourself. Next best thing is to hear clear recordings of it. Next best thing after that is to hear it in a mix.

With:

You want something to sound good before it goes into a mix

I clearly said nothing of the sort.

Furthermore, the argument was about hearing things clearly, and NOT in a mix. The argument wasn't about whether ISO cabs sound any good. You're basically trying to claim that you can see the sun through dense forestry. If I want to see the sun, I'd rather NOT do it through a canopy of leaves.

 

[-J-]

now that I picked up a smaller amp (RG75 G3), I'm just going to put the amp and some blankets and pillows in a closet and close the door. I don't record all that loud anyway.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe any band with access to a nice sounding room would record in a iso box, but what do I know.

 

[Amberience]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe any band with access to a nice sounding room would record in a iso box, but what do I know.

I don't believe it either. Unfortunately in this business, people will accept money to "say" things they might not mean, so endorsements don't hold too much sway with me.

I'd be up for hearing the ISO cab, but not in a mix, and preferably in a room and not as a media file over the internet - because then I'm not really hearing the cab, but I'm hearing someone else's effort of recording that cab.

 

[grywolf627]

Things like this sound really retarded to me. This is just like the fucking never-ending debate over which booster (TS9/TS7/OD808/blablabla) is/sounds the "best"....where in the end nobody on their very best day could tell the difference in a mix. Just like reamping guitars, by themselves, as shown by my own tests that are on this forum, you can hear slight differences...but in a mix those differences mean exactly shit. Your strain of logic on this iso cab makes no sense to me. You want something to sound good before it goes into a mix, the problem with that is that it doesn't necessarily mean it will sound good once you start adding drums, bass, other guitars and vocals and whatever else in with it. Likewise, something may sound like ass by itself, but sound simply amazing within a mix. Sometimes I seriously wish people would post up random clips and not reveal what was used for no reason other than to weed out the bullshitters and people that base their opinion on a predertermined bias once they already know what was used. If you don't like the idea of an iso cab, and somebody shows you a clip of one in a mix, and you know that it is being used before you hear it, you will already have a biased opinion on it. Nobody is exempt from that, it's just what happens. Sorry if I'm being harsh, it just gets old.

~006

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

"...Sometimes I seriously wish people would post up random clips and not reveal what was used for no reason other than to weed out the bullshitters and people that base their opinion on a predertermined bias once they already know what was used."

I like this idea.

 

[hoehlentroll]

@Amberience
Oh no. Not you again. Shut the fuck up already!

Do you have downs syndrome??

Do you think this is funny?

 

[Amberience]

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

"...Sometimes I seriously wish people would post up random clips and not reveal what was used for no reason other than to weed out the bullshitters and people that base their opinion on a predertermined bias once they already know what was used."

I like this idea.

In response, I'd say:

"sometimes I seriously wish people would post up solo recordings and not full productions for no reason other than to weed out the dickheads who just want to impress the world with their wankery"

This whole "missing the point" thing is fun isn't it!?!