Rock For Bush -- Or Perish

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ROCK FOR BUSH -- OR PERISH

Look at the historical record:

D. D. Eisenhower (Republican) Rock and Roll
'Guys with balls': Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, etc.. Also: John Coltrane, Miles Davis

J. F. Kennedy (Democrat) Folk Music
(Pete Seger & various Greenwich Village queers) --era was redeemed by Bob Dylan

L. B. Johnson (Democrat) Flower Power
(various San Francisco queers) -- Johnson's decline yielded Jimi Hendrix.

R. M. Nixon (Republican) "Golden Age" of Heavy Metal & Hard Rock
Cream, LedZeppelin, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones best-years, Grand Funk, MC-5, Glam-(Bowie, Iggy, T-Rex), etc.

G. R. Ford (Republican) Hard Rock, early Punk
Runaways, Ramones, Sex Pistols, KISS, Aerosmith, Bob Seger

J. E. Carter (Democrat) Disco
various New York homos, Studio 54. Punk resurgence coincided with Carter decline

R. W. Reagan (Republican) The return of heavy metal
Ozzy Osbourne, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Venom, Mercyful Fate, Metallica, etc.

G.H.W. Bush (Republican) Heavy Rock Continues
Guns & Roses, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Euro-Metal, Pantera, Slayer, Grunge, etc.

W. J. Clinton (Democrat) A resurgence of faggy music
boy-bands, female pop divas, trance, rap, digital disco. Big music-biz decline began in 2000.

G. W. Bush (Republican) Black metal revival
New Heavy Metal underground revival. Clinton era crap is dead *good!*


If John Kerry gets elected, then heavy metal will die out. It will disappear from radio and music TV; rock venues will be forced to close (due to higher taxes and more regulations). Democrats are controlled by queers, so they promote queer forms of music, killing off genres like metal.

If George W. Bush gets re-elected, then heavy metal will flourish. Metal is about male power, and that is needed when the political focus is on militarism.

Get smart: vote to re-elect Bush
A vote for Kerry is a vote to become extinct.
 
lol, if you base your vote on the musical style thats big at the time thats really sad. Vote for who is the best man for the job, in this case it is bush, but that obviously has 0% to do with music.

Actually, the only time I think metal would have any connection to politics would be in the 2000 elections. If Gore had been elected Tipper prolly woulda tried to ban metal again like she did back in the 80's.
 
Actually, there is a factual basis for the claims made here.

Democrats favor compact cities, new urbanism, affordable housing and other city planning projects that drive up taxes on private property. The taxes are raised far more for commercial than for residential property.

Under Democrats, cities are encouraged to take advantage of federal programs that give money for doing what the Feds want. Several million dollars from the federal government is usually more than the local music scene generates in a city, so the cities target low revenue areas like the music venues.

Under Republicans, federal government money for cities is cut back. So cities are encouraged to develop local sources for revenue. That means cities have to rely much more on local business development. In several cities, entertainment is usually a quick way to generate tax and other revenues from low-value property.

Since live music venues are zoned for "commercial" use, the increased taxes and land use regulations imposed under urban planning often raise costs much faster than venue owners can raise cover charges, drink prices, and other revenues. So live music venues are forced to close.

In most U.S. cities, the greatest loss of live music venues in most US cities occurred during the Carter Administration (1976 - 1980) and the Clinton Administration (1992 - 2000).

I have to agree that for forms of music that rely on live performance venues, like metal (and rock, generally for that matter), Bush as president will be far better for busines than Kerry.

It costs at least $200K to launch a band (record and license a CD, set up a tour, get air time, arrange media buys, etc.) but there is not much case for sinking that kind of money into a metal band if most cities have too few live venues, and the live scenes are slowly being taxed or zoned out of existence. As an entertainment investor, one is better off putting $500K or more into a smaller number of acts -- like, contrived pop divas and boy-band type acts that can sing over electronic music, look good on TV, and get CD's played in dance clubs.

You people need to get a clue. I can tell from your replies here that you're just getting empty promises, and not getting any real money.
 
There's a whole lot more to choosing who runs the country than whether or not there's a local venue for a show..basing your vote on that alone is tunnel vision, IMO.
 
Go watch Farenheit 9/11 you commie bastard. :puke:

NEW_METAL_ORDER said:
ROCK FOR BUSH -- OR PERISH

D. D. Eisenhower (Republican) Rock and Roll
(Guys with balls: Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis)

J. F. Kennedy (Democrat) Folk Music
(various Greenwich Village queers)

L. B. Johnson (Democrat) Flower Power
(various San Francisco queers)

R. M. Nixon (Republican) Heavy Metal
Cream, LedZeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc.

G. R. Ford (Republican) Hard Rock, early Punk
Runaways, Ramones, Sex Pistols, KISS, Aerosmith

J. E. Carter (Democrat) Disco
(various New York homos)

R. W. Reagan (Republican) The return of heavy metal
Ozzy Osbourne, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Venom, Mercyful Fate

G.H.W. Bush (Republican) Heavy Rock Continues
Guns & Roses, Nirvana, Grunge, etc.

W. J. Clinton (Democrat) faggot music
boy-bands, female pop divas, trance, rap, digital disco

G. W. Bush (Republican) Black metal revival
New Heavy Metal underground revival. Clinton era crap is dead *good!*

If John Kerry gets elected, then heavy metal will die. It will disappear from radio and music TV; rock venues will be forced to close (due to higher taxes and more regulations). Democrats arde controlled by queers, so they promote queer forms of music, killing off genres like metal.
If George W. Bush gets re-elected, then heavy metal will flourish. Metal is about male power, and that is needed when the political focus is on militarism.

Get smart: vote to re-elect Bush
A vote for Kerry is a vote to become extinct.
 
lol, F9/11 is just another bunch of BS from Michael Moore. If anyone watches this movie (i say movie because it is NOT a documentary... a documentary contains facts) and actually believes what Moore says in it, then they are seriously brain dead.
 
5thSeason said:
lol, F9/11 is just another bunch of BS from Michael Moore. If anyone watches this movie (i say movie because it is NOT a documentary... a documentary contains facts) and actually believes what Moore says in it, then they are seriously brain dead.
I guess you missed all the fact that they movie is filled with actual quotes and documents along with statistical data. Yes, Moore does slant the movie towards his thinking, but there's plenty of real material included that makes it truthful and allows a thinking person to make their own conclusion. The problem is that too many republicans lack the ability to think for themselves and question any authority figure.
 
5thSeason said:
lol, F9/11 is just another bunch of BS from Michael Moore. If anyone watches this movie (i say movie because it is NOT a documentary... a documentary contains facts) and actually believes what Moore says in it, then they are seriously brain dead.
Moore uses fact but he twist it for his own gain.
There is nothing new about this, the republican has done it for years but his point are still good and so far I agree with him.
 
I have a LOT to say about F9/11 and Moore. I beg each and every one of you to take 5 minutes and read what I am posting, dont just skip around. It is important that you read all of the information I am posting...


F911 starts out by recounting the tired liberal-left canard about George W. Bush "stealing" the 2000 Presidential Election. Gee, we haven’t heard that one before. And for those who actually read the paper and peruse bookstores, there’s little else new in this waste of celluloid.

Moore shows endless shots of Bush and administration officials being made up for TV appearances, montages of Bush golfing and on vacation, a shot of Bush with his dog – all accompanied by the sarcastic vocal commentary of Michael Moore. (You didn’t expect the self-important, schlubby Moore to spare us and stay off-screen, did you?)

In Moore’s world, liberal politicians never get made up or hair coiffed for TV appearances. In Moore’s world, Bill Clinton never golfed, never vacationed for months on Cape Cod and Martha’s Vineyard, never had a dog named "Buddy" – all while Slick Willie had the opportunity (several times) to have Osama Bin Laden handed over to him, but declined.

But that’s Moore’s world. He has learned the Costas Gavras (the famous Socialist-Communist director who produced Anti-American films) technique well. Bush and other administration "villains"--so cast by Moore--are shot from down below, to make them look even more evil.

Moore spends much time on Bin Laden family members flying out of the US when the rest of America was grounded, right after 9-11. Showing a clip of Khalil Bin Laden at the airport, a chyron on the screen cleverly reads "days after 9-11." But, how many days? In fact, while some Bin Ladens did get to fly out early, most of the Bin Laden family flew out of America, after the rest of America could already fly. Moore says the FBI was not allowed to interview them, but in fact, the FBI was allowed to interview them and chose not to. That is disturbing, but it’s not what Moore "reported".

The close relationship between the Bush family, including the current President, and the Saudi Royal Family is troubling. But it’s nothing new, and Moore offers no alternative. The Saudi Royals are, no doubt, despicable. They foster and fund madrasas, mosques, and clerics who preach the death of the West, Christians, and Jews. They hold telethons to fund the "martyrs" and allowed Al-Qaeda to grow. Women can’t drive, and non-Muslims are the equivalent of slaves. Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar is slimy and dishonest.

But the precarious Saudi Royal Family is better than the alternative--the Saudi masses who hate us even more and who love Osama Bin Laden.

If Crown Prince Abdullah is deposed by its extremist population, Bin Laden is the most popular replacement. Given the large Saudi investment in our economy (upon which Moore touches) and large holdings in our banking system, a change in Saudi leadership could result in the collapse of our economy. $2 a gallon oil? That would be a pleasant memory from the past, and only rich phonies like Michael Moore would be able to afford to drive. The Saudis are the largest producers of oil, and the radical Saudi population would see to it that we go back to the horse and buggy.

That is why it’s important for Bush to remain on good terms with the sleazy country that is the home to public beheadings and 15 of the 19 hijackers. Leftists from Moore’s "Amen" crowd won’t let us drill for oil in Alaska, so we can get away from dependence upon the Saudis. Not a peep about that in F911.

And while there’s plenty of factual material to use against the Saudis, Moore fabricates on that, too. He claims that the US Secret Service’s Uniformed Division protects only the Saudi Embassy, no others. That’s just plain false. Any tourist to Washington, DC, will see plenty of Secret Service Police guarding all of the other foreign embassies which request such protection. Other than guarding the White House and some federal buildings, it’s the largest use of personnel by the Secret Service’s Uniformed Division.

Since Moore lies about little things like that, what else has he lied about in this master docu-fakery?

Then there are Moore’s Congressional "experts." F911 features extensive interviews with two of the biggest wackos ever elected to Congress, Reps. Jim McDermott and John Conyers, both far-left Democrats. They spout off against everything from the USA Patriot Act to the War on Iraq.

But he fails to tell us that Jim McDermott was on the take from Saddam Hussein. McDermott was one of three Congressmen who went on Saddam’s propaganda tour of Iraq in Fall 2002. The trip was funded by Life for Relief and Development (LRD), a "charity" which laundered money to terrorist group Hamas’ Jordanian operation. LRD is funded in part by Shakir Al-Khafaji, a man who did about $70 million in business with Saddam through his Falcon Trading Group company (based in South Africa). LRD’s Iraqi offices were raided by US troops last week, and the Detroit-area "charity" is suspected of funding uprisings, such as the one in Fallujah. Its officials bragged of doing so at a recent private US fundraiser.

Mr. Alkhafaji, one of two Americans named in Iraqi newspapers as a participant in Saddam’s "Oil for Food" scam, gave Congressman McDermott $5,000 in October 2002 for McDermott’s legal defense fund in a lawsuit against him. He’s not biased about Iraq, right?!

Then there’s Conyers. He’s the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee. Heaven help us if the Democrats retake the House majority, and he becomes Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. The far-left Conyers never met a terrorist he didn’t like.

Take the June 13 Muslim American Society fundraising dinner for Islamic Relief, a charity with links to the Muslim Brotherhood. Conyers and his wife were the guests of honor. They watched and clapped as the Sanabel Al-Quds "dancing" troop from Milwaukee—featuring boys as young as seven—sang in Arabic of martyrdom and jihad for Allah and Palestine. They didn’t need to understand Arabic, as the young boys used a rifle to simulate killing and pistol-whipping, simulated throat-slittings and beheadings, and dishonored the American flag.

The War in Iraq is a major focal point of the film. Moore shamelessly dishonors our brave soldiers. He makes fun of soldier’s musical choices in Iraq ("The Roof is on Fire") and depicts multiple wounded and dead Iraqis and soldiers raiding a home in Iraq searching for a militant. That’s what happens in war. People get wounded and killed. Moore shows the militant’s female relatives crying. "He’s a college student," they cry out in Arabic. College students would never be terrorists, would they? Tell that to the Israelis, where the "colleges," such as Bir Zeit University, are the breeding grounds for terrorists.

Very telling is the presence of the Al-Jazeera microphone in one segment of a women crying, "Allah Hu Akbar" (Allah is Great). Moore apparently thinks the sympathetic Terrorist News Network (Al-Jazeera) is the epitome of accurate news reporting.

Other BS in the Moore film:

He shows Britney Spears saying she supports the President on Iraq. As if there weren’t a host of brain-dead bimbo celebs, (Madonna, Sean Penn, Russell Simmons, Lenny Kravitz, Susan Sarandon, The Dixie Chicks, etc.), spouting off on the other side.


Moore repeatedly features Sam Kubba, of the American-Iraqi Chamber of Commerce, denouncing the War in Iraq as money-driven. But Kubba is a fringe character. Most Iraqi-Americans and their prominent leaders, such as Nabil Roumayah of the Detroit-based Iraqi Democratic Union, supported the war, whether they were Chaldeans (Christian Iraqis) or Shias.


In very selectively edited clips, Moore poses the absurd notion that the main news anchors—Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, and Ted Koppel—wholeheartedly support Bush and the War in Iraq. Jennings, Rather, and Koppel supporting the War and Bush? Puh-leeze! Has Moore forgotten the hour-long Saddam softball interview Rather did just prior to the war, Jennings’ condescending coverage and Koppel’s critical "Nightline" episodes every step of the way?


Moore exploits the grief of Lila Lipscomb, the mother of a soldier who died in Iraq. She denounces Bush and the War. But there are many mothers and relatives of US soldiers, alive and dead, who served there who don’t agree with her. Don’t look for them in this agit-prop "film."


Moore, as many misinformed "journalists" do, makes light of the claimed Bush connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. But what about the meeting between hijacker Mohammed Atta and Iraqi Intelligence agents in the Czech Republic before 9-11? What about the Iraqi training camp in Salman Pak where Al-Qaeda used abandoned planes to train to hijack them? What about Ramzi Youssef, the Iraqi Secret Service agent and mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing, who is the nephew of 9-11 Al-Qaeda mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? What about Iraqi Intelligence and Secret Police (Mukhabarat) at a Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Al-Qaeda terror planning convention? These are just some connections, and there are others in "The Connection," by Stephen Hayes, that you won’t see in Moore’s silver screen screed.




A few random side notes.

1.) Hezbollah loves F9/11 and is offering to help in its distribution in the UAE. Hmmmmm interesting. Here is some more information on this (scroll down past the Finnish version for its english translation)

http://www.hiff.fi/uutiset/?id=20040609fahren




2.) At the Las Vegas premier of the film, one viewer was spat on, and then beat up by several people from MoveOn.org after he declined to accept a flier they were handing out, because he didnt agree with the film, or its message.



Finally, here are some sites you NEED to see. These sites will show you how much ofa liar Moore is, and back it up with concrete facts.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

http://www.moorewatch.com/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://www.moorelies.com/


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Thanks for taking the time to read all this. I hope I have saved a few minds from the abyss.
 
I just saw F9/11 (got it from the internet, it's not showing in theaters here before autumn). I agree that it's not a documentary. It's propaganda. Moore has a mission to dethrone Bush and this is his propaganda weapon. I was rather disappointed with the overly long emotionally done part about the soldiers dying in Iraq. He could've used the time on other things, especially the business connections in Iraq were kind of rushed. I guess the soldier thing works on americans at totally different emotional level though and is therefore appropriate for propaganda.
Anyway, I think he could've made it better, not so one sided. But as I basically am on the same side, and I'm not american, and I am aware of the other side of the story, I don't care that much.

btw. 5thSeason. Moore stated on his webpage that he can proof anything stated in the movie as a fact. Of course this does mean only that he didn't lie, but can't help the fact that he didn't tell the whole truth. I just thought to point that out anyway.

Then again... no one is ever totally neutral and people should learn to read more between the li(n)es of both sides...

Edit: Oh yeah. The actual subject of this thread is not worth a reply, but as this has gone off-topic anyway, meh.
 
Voice of God said:
btw. 5thSeason. Moore stated on his webpage that he can proof anything stated in the movie as a fact.


Yes, he said that about Bowling For Columbine as well, and that itself was a lie, because everything ( and i do mean EVERYTHING ) in bowling can be, and has been proven as a lie ( www.bowlingfortruth.com ). Moore claims a lot of things, and the vast majority of them are lies.
 
If you're a rock musician (especially if you love metal), then you're a small bueinssman: an entrepreneur who makes his own fortune. Disco and other crap from the corporate bureaucracies comes and goes, but metal lives on. Hardly any disco or techno album from the 1970's through the 1990's is even remembered, and none of them are collectors items. That "American Idol" shit will go that same way.

But nearly all of the great metal is either still in print and just about as popular as ever, and a few items that are out of print are valuable collectors items. So, corporate pop is just a heap of disposable trash, but metal is eternal.

About Bush:
Bush has been a huge disappointment I think. He is no conservative (as the Reagan Republicans in California are quick to point out). Reagan ran up deficits to pay for military rebuilding to make the US strong enough to assert itself in the world. In so doing, he ensured the collapse of commuism, and eradicaed Marxists & tyrants from countries in latin America, Africa, and Asia. Domesticlaly, he approved broad tax rate cuts that built small businesses -- creating wealth and raising incomes.

George W. Bush is a far different character. Instead, he has run up huge deficits to subsidize government waste fraud and abuse, and wasted America's military muscle in the failed Iraq war (Bush was forced to surrender, and he is now capitulating the future of the United States to the UN, World Court, and other anti-US internationalists). It is hard to imagine how he is any better than John Kerry (who would have done the same thing).

Even so, I think that Kerry is bad for business if you like metal. I agree that liberals tend to re-structure cities in a way that kills off live music. John Kerry has a long voting history of support for failed government programs (sadly, so does George Bush, as president--which is why his poll numbers look like those for a liberal Democrat).

Maybe it's time to vote for Libertarians or Constitution Party candidates who want to masssively scale back the government.
 
In four years, bush has managed to start an utterly needless war, fuck up the american economy, destroy a huge national surplus by giving countless millions to the uber-rich, and get most of the world to hate America (with good reason). He's stupid, arrogant, imperialistic, and dishonest, the worst president of the 20th century. So what if he listens to better music than Kerry?
 
I have found that discussing politics on a metal board gets facts more twisted than a debate between Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore.


Lets face it. Neither side gives a rats ass about facts. Only twisting said facts to their side of non-thinking...just like both Rush Limbaugh & Michael Moore. Both are just here for entertainment. So let's laugh at it all and then research some facts individually and stop all this nonsense. Let's get back to talking about what bands are more TROO or something.