Screamers... Ugh.

AKoppenheffer

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Well I'm working with a new band, and they are on the younger side... All music is tracked, and I was really pumped for it. The production was coming out great. Especially since I've been out of doing metal projects for almost 2 years. Anyway, the music is kicking and we started vocals last night. Got some good clean singing, but when it was time for screams it kind of went south. Their inhales are great, of course. But the exhale screams are weak and sounds like there is a rope cinched around his neck. I'm having a hard time working with this, and I don't want it to ruin the record. Any ideas to either help the singer or to help his recorded performance? When is someone gonna make a scream replacer??? :lol:
 
What I try and do with vocalists where "we are having trouble", is to try and talk to them about technique. Explain to them that recording them barely screaming and raising the volume won't make them sound like they are screaming full on. I also try and work with them, and maybe adjust their pitch either higher or lower before it sounds at its best. Also stuff like doing another take with lower vocals to thicken things up can help.
 
There is also the "cup the mic" technique although I'm not a big fan of that. If your gonna scream, then fucking mean it! Also, doubling the screams does help a lot with making it sound thicker.
 
Hey guys, we have been doing a lot of layering screams... But I'd like to use that as an effect and not a crutch, haha. I really think he just needs top open and let that sm7 have it. He said he was nervous. I hate that. And I've never recorded someone with a cupped mic. I don't know ever want to try that either. We're doing some more stuff this evening, so we'll see what happens. Thanks for tips.
 
Yeah, I think getting him comfortable is the main thing. Have you tried blasting the speakers and having him do it live in the control room with a hand held mic? As long as you set it up right, the bleeding won't be too bad and you can get a much better performance. Quite a lot of producers are known to do this. I have got some awesome results out of a vocalist just using a 58 handheld - I have never seen anyone stomp around like that and put that much in to the performance.
 
is it any good?

Yes. VERY. At least for me: our singer quit the band almosta a year ago and we were fed up of vocalists, so me and the bassist took on the job and before seeing the dvd I couldn't even imagine how to scream or growl.
Now I'm quite satisfied, way better at it, although still far from being a good screamer... The dvd and a lot of practice was what did it for me, especially learning how not to destroy my vocal cords.

I'd seriously consider it for your screamer, AKoppenheffer!
 
Right now I have him in my main room... Isolated from me in the control room. So I mean, he is by himself, it's not like we're watching him in a booth, or hes next to us in the control room... I have to check out this DVD. Thanks for the suggestions!
 
It's some stupid death-core thing that's popular these days - also called "pig squealing" :rolleyes:

The pig squeal is totally WHACK!!! It's the biggest cop out of all screams.

Anyway, another thought to help get the best performace out of this singer is to let him hold the mic. You'd be surprised at how different his performance is! I mention that based on first hand experience with my singer. Too bad he didn't start doing that until almost half way through our recording session.

Let us know how things pan out AKoppenheffer...
 
Melissa's stuff is well worth checking out. I've worked with her and she's amazing. I don't think it will work fast enought to help him for right now though unless he gets a coach in front of him.
Singing is mostly psychological, so his comfort will make a huge difference. Any antagonism or pressure will most likely make things worse.

As far as mic cupping, depending on the model there are ways to do it without completely screwing the sound. You have to think it out and experiment though. You can't do it like most of these guys do with your hand almost completely covering the capsule. It's obnoxious and sounds terrible. A little bit of hand riding up the very rear of the basket is enough if you think it's needed.

Maybe same foam over the capsule and letting him hold it if it's a condenser could help him as well. If he's nervous though, your gonna hear it in his tone, and he's gonna probably push too hard and hurt himself as well.

That inhale pig scream is annoying. It can and has been used by others to a different effect though. Udo Dirkschneider from Accept has done it in a few places and made it sound pretty insane.

Try Fight it Back from Balls to the wall. The long scream at the end of the second chorus is an inhale.

Good luck with that recording, it can be tough. Try not to be too hard on him. Believe it or not getting him to run around the block can actually help! Getting a little exertion can help shake the nerves out and release some good endorphines, plus it will get him doing deeper, more supported breath. Shallow breathing is the first thing to happen when you get nervous and for intense vocals it's a garunteed stick in the spokes.
 
pig squeAl: think gorrotted or porno grind. i often describe this as sounding like "reap" or "reeaaaaappp"

another good pig squeal is chris barns, although it is not the "inwards" one you speak of.

also... only the shitty pig squealers do the inhale. I myself am a self proclaimed master of the pig squeal, and its all outwards, full volume madness for me. no mic cupping, no poser wannabe porno grind bullshit.

brings me to the question: ever heard disconformity from japan? look for them on myspace. brutal fucking deathmetal. all outward pig grunts. fucking insane
 
thought i woul;d also mention that inhale and exhale should both be used in long screams. its like a cycle that allows you to scream longer. only trouble is that when energy is transfered, some is lost so unfortunately screams can`t last forever.

think the scream at the beginning of l o g ruin
 
thought i woul;d also mention that inhale and exhale should both be used in long screams. its like a cycle that allows you to scream longer. only trouble is that when energy is transfered, some is lost so unfortunately screams can`t last forever.

think the scream at the beginning of l o g ruin

I don't really see the need for that. Long notes are about support and control. Switching the direction of breath in the center shouldn't be needed and there's no way you could do it without the transition being awkward.