Sephardic music

Vulcano

Vulcano

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I know most people here loves folk music (as I do), and there's a band here in Valencia called L'Ham de Foc (The fire hook) that plays old mediterranian music, singing in valencià, our own language, also known as català (from Catalonia).
Now they have a new project based on sephardic music called Aman Aman, singing on the old sephardic language, judezmo, wich I supose is a kind of spanish dialect as jiddish is from german (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm sory for there's not an english version of their homepage, but you'll can hear a little bit about their music. I hope you'll enjoy it.
http://www.lhamdefoc.com/aman_cast/amancastmenu.htm

P.S. Grieving coincidence: I live in a village called Alfara del Patriarca, and this patriarc is St. John of Ribera, the (I doubt really was a saint) one who thought up and persuaded the King of Aragon and the Queen of Castilla to ejecting jewish people from their kingdoms (in that time Spain did not existed)
 
Yeah, it's blend of a few languages with Hebrew. It's also called Ladino.
I know someone that translates old, Ladino manuscripts into English.
 
I read some Ladino poetry a while ago...I think that speaking spanish is sufficiant to understanding ladino texts...once you know what each hebrew letter sounds like you can also read it by yourself.
if Yiddish was as easy as Ladino...I'd be able to add Yiddish on my cv
as a 6th language.
 
I've readed that is a mistake call it ladino, coz it refers to the hebrew-spanish translations by the rabin, tyhe true name is judezmo.

@Paradoxile: Is spanish one of these 5 languges do you speak?
 
unfortunately no...I know some stuff here and there and with the my trusty dictionary i get most of any written stuff in any romance language be it spanish, potugese, italian...french I learned in school

from my little vocabulary in spanish and my association with other romance languages I understand most of your signature...tis a beautifull poem.

the languages i speak are:Hebrew, English, Russian, French and Swedish(been learning for the past year and a half), I also understand most of Ukrainian because it's fairly close to Russian and undestand Yiddish partially because it's spoken in the family.
then a tiny bit of german, dutch, italian ,spanish, protugese, danish, norwegian, bulgarian, and ladino.

would be great to be fluent in all of those...16 languages would gouge the eyes of a person reading my CV.
 
לה רוזה אנפלורסה

la rosa enpelarosa

לה רוזה אנפלורסה
אן אל מז דה מאיו
מי אלמה סה אסקורסה
סופריינדו דל אמור

la rosa enpelarosa
en el mes de mayo
mi alma se se escoresa
superiendo del amor

לוס בילביליקוס קאנטאן
אן אל ארב'ולה דה לה פלור
דבאשו סה אסנטאן
לוס קה סופרין דל אמור

los bilbilicos cantnan
en el arvola de la flor
dabasho se asantan
los que suprin del amor

לוס בילביליקוס קאנטאן
סוספיראן דל אמור
אי לה פאסיון מה מאטה
מוצ'יגואה מי דולור

los bilbilicos cantan
suspiran del amor
y la passion me mate
muchigoa mi dolor

מאס פרסטו ב'ן פאלומבה
מאס פרסטו ב'ן אה מי
מאס פרסטו ב'ן קרידה
קה יו מה ב'ו מוריר

mas presto ven palomba
mas presto ven a mi
mas presto ven carida
que yo me vo morir

i may have transcribed this ladino song a bit wrong...tis a bit hard with no vowels...still not very hard to understand wouldn't you say?
 
paradoxile said:
if Yiddish was as easy as Ladino...I'd be able to add Yiddish on my cv
as a 6th language.
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Yiddish is considered a lower class language though (no offense to anyone).
One of my mom's old professors/colleagues, that I knew pretty well, would never admit to actually knowing the language. He always said German was a much more dignified and sophisticated language (he was an Ashkenazic Jew by the way, so his opinion wasn't racially driven). Yiddish was mostly spoken in the more uneducated areas.
You'd be better off focussing on German, since it is much more practical. If you can understand German, you would be able to understand Yiddish.
 
@Paradoxile: About the ladino song, there's few strange words, but I understand it all. Keep on with your languages learning, coz you know the more languages you speak will do easier learning another one. I'm a fanatic of philology too.
My signature is a song by J.M. Serrat, and yes, is very beautyful, and emotive, more than anything the chorus "what can I do if I was born in the Mediterranian"

@MetalHead: I think there's no low class languages. Maybe yiddish was a popular language with no severe academic rules, and maybe was the evolution of a mother language (german, I guess), but that's the way all languages were born. All romanic languages (spanish, portuguese, french, italian, catalonian, ....)
were in its beggining popular forms of latin, and the same for germanic or slave languages.
May your mom's friend opinion hides a kind of inferiority complex?I told coz during spanish dictatorship my language was forbiden and discredited, then, the highest class dont spoke it anymore, thinking that was an uncultured language, nothing further than truth.

P.S. Sorry for using too many times the word language:p
 
germanic languages are more sophisiticated grammatically than romance ones
about Yiddish being inferior to German I have to agree...mostly because German has indeed strict rules and is very structural language...while Yiddish is not as organized as there is no one Yiddish...there's a german dialect, there's polish one, a russian one, a ukrainian one and they are different some times...and as german is strictly germanic, Yiddish has some words borrowed from cyrillic languages...shortly Yiddish is a big mess for a germanic language.

I don't believe I've ever saw texts in Catalan...or maybe I have and I mistook it for spanish or portugese...kind of strange understanding what's written but not knowing what language it's written in.
 
Català is closer to french than to spanish (the correct is castilian), or even to italian, so if you speak french surely will be easier to you understand it, but dont think will be useful for you.
Ex. Castilian: Ventana, noche, hacer
French: Fenêtre, nuit, fair
Català: Finestra, nit, fer
 
I see...in this case I don't think I've ever seen texts in catalan
but I think most people also speak spanish in Catalonia and probably some english too...is occitan much different from catalan?
 
paradoxile said:
unfortunately no...I know some stuff here and there and with the my trusty dictionary i get most of any written stuff in any romance language be it spanish, potugese, italian...french I learned in school

from my little vocabulary in spanish and my association with other romance languages I understand most of your signature...tis a beautifull poem.

the languages i speak are:Hebrew, English, Russian, French and Swedish(been learning for the past year and a half), I also understand most of Ukrainian because it's fairly close to Russian and undestand Yiddish partially because it's spoken in the family.
then a tiny bit of german, dutch, italian ,spanish, protugese, danish, norwegian, bulgarian, and ladino.

would be great to be fluent in all of those...16 languages would gouge the eyes of a person reading my CV.
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Man thats so great, after spending almost 1 month in Indiana (US) I realized that speaking english is way harder that just reading it..I can barley speak english although I can understand and read well.

you're a gifted guy paradoxile.
 
thanks Blacken...nice to have you back in the forum
Marhaba

@Vulcano: lol...that's handy and it rhymes and is quite nasty
thank you...I love those kind of things
 
Vulcano said:
:lol: Molt be!!! You learn so fast, and of course the first to learn are useful expressions.
Juguem a la taba? Tu poses el cul i jo la faba:devil:
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This is a brittish comedian speaking french in a standup he did in san francisco
has nothing to do with ladino but I figured if you speak a little french you'll find that hilarious
and besides I promised Yannick to show him this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1sQkEfAdfY
 
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