Spotify Already in Legal Battle

Such patents are complete bullshit, and they are developed, and purchased, to threaten companies to get money. Patents are anti-freedom and ought to be abolished.
 
They waited until after Spotify was launched in the US to file a law suit? Why not go ahead and file the law suit when it was the service was already available in the UK?



Yea, I knew that Spotify was too good to be true...I figured it would be just a matter of time before it would be shut down by someone...Oh well, I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts....
 
They waited until after Spotify was launched in the US to file a law suit? Why not go ahead and file the law suit when it was the service was already available in the UK?

Presumably because they figured they would have a greater chance of success under the utterly-broken US court/patent system.

Yea, I knew that Spotify was too good to be true...I figured it would be just a matter of time before it would be shut down by someone...Oh well, I'm just going to enjoy it while it lasts....

It's not going to be shut down. If anything, this lawsuit is actually a signal that Spotify is a major player that's here to stay. Why? Because the patent in question (granted in 1995) is so broad, this suit could have been brought against ANYONE selling digital music over the Internet, including Rhapsody, RDIO, or even Apple. But it wasn't, probably because they figured there wasn't enough money to extort (in the case of Rhapsody/RDIO; you don't try to rob a bum), or wouldn't be able to win against an army of lawyers (Apple). They must see Spotify as having the right balance between a relatively weak ability to defend itself, and a strong desire to stay in business for the long term even if it comes at the cost of a big short term payout to these patent trolls.

Tech companies file lawsuits like this against each other all the time. They almost never result in products disappearing. Currently nearly every smartphone manufacturer has a lawsuit filed against every other smartphone manufacturer, all requesting that products are banned from import into the US. Yet no one is worried that iPhones or Droids will suddenly disappear off the shelves. The lawsuits end up just being a tactic that eventually (sometimes years later) leads to a negotiated settlement, some money changes hands behind the scenes, and everything continues on as normal.

Given that Spotify was informed about this patent before the US launch, I would guess that this lawsuit is no surprise to them and they already have potential costs associated with dealing with it built into their business plan.

Neil
 
OP, can you stop fishing for reasons to hate on Spotify? It's kinda sad dude. This is going to get thrown out. You can't "own" the right to distribute music over everyone. And even if it is legit, it's going to end in a settlement.
 
Presumably because they figured they would have a greater chance of success under the utterly-broken US court/patent system.



It's not going to be shut down. If anything, this lawsuit is actually a signal that Spotify is a major player that's here to stay. Why? Because the patent in question (granted in 1995) is so broad, this suit could have been brought against ANYONE selling digital music over the Internet, including Rhapsody, RDIO, or even Apple. But it wasn't, probably because they figured there wasn't enough money to extort (in the case of Rhapsody/RDIO; you don't try to rob a bum), or wouldn't be able to win against an army of lawyers (Apple). They must see Spotify as having the right balance between a relatively weak ability to defend itself, and a strong desire to stay in business for the long term even if it comes at the cost of a big short term payout to these patent trolls.

Tech companies file lawsuits like this against each other all the time. They almost never result in products disappearing. Currently nearly every smartphone manufacturer has a lawsuit filed against every other smartphone manufacturer, all requesting that products are banned from import into the US. Yet no one is worried that iPhones or Droids will suddenly disappear off the shelves. The lawsuits end up just being a tactic that eventually (sometimes years later) leads to a negotiated settlement, some money changes hands behind the scenes, and everything continues on as normal.

Given that Spotify was informed about this patent before the US launch, I would guess that this lawsuit is no surprise to them and they already have potential costs associated with dealing with it built into their business plan.

Neil

Spotify was started by major label dudes in Sweden. They probably have better lawyers and more money than this company. I just think this company is suing for attention for its own distro service.
 
OP, can you stop fishing for reasons to hate on Spotify? It's kinda sad dude. This is going to get thrown out. You can't "own" the right to distribute music over everyone. And even if it is legit, it's going to end in a settlement.


who's OP? You can't be talking to me, because I LOVE Spotify....Addicted to it almost too much actually....
 
who's OP? You can't be talking to me, because I LOVE Spotify....Addicted to it almost too much actually....

Nothing wrong with you posting the thread, but "yeah I knew it was too good to be true" in this thread and in the other one. It's like you want it to die. :lol:

There was actually a really good story on NPR about software patents and how they're essentially used as lawsuit material by companies who buy them in bulk just to sue others. It's definitely worth a listen.

Yeah, but blaming the problem on patents themselves and not the lack of checks and balances in the system is extremely childish. It's like blaming laws because people break them.
 
DustyV said:
I knew that Spotify was too good to be true...

Yea. Spotify is really good. Are you an user, or are you just part of the bandwagon (I don't like it! / I don't get it!) ?? It's great, dude, and hopefully it's not going away, period.

EDIT - Just saw you're an user. Good. :)

AeonicSlumber said:
Yeah sometimes I wonder if he's just trying to be a Colbert-esque satirist.

Never thought patents would be joining the list of enemies of the state. :lol:
 
Nothing wrong with you posting the thread, but "yeah I knew it was too good to be true" in this thread and in the other one. It's like you want it to die. :lol:


Hey, just reporting what I've been reading. I didn't write the article, but if you do a google search on spotify lawsuit in the news section, you'll see that the idea of Spotify "Potentially" being banned in the USA is in a few different news articles relating to spotify....Believe me, there are people much more negative about the Patent's implications that I am... I can't say if they are true or not as I know nothing about Patents....
 
Nothing wrong with you posting the thread, but "yeah I knew it was too good to be true" in this thread and in the other one. It's like you want it to die. :lol:



Yeah, but blaming the problem on patents themselves and not the lack of checks and balances in the system is extremely childish. It's like blaming laws because people break them.

NPR made it clear that the system was the issue, not the idea of patents themselves.
 
Yea. Spotify is really good. Are you an user, or are you just part of the bandwagon (I don't like it! / I don't get it!) ?? It's great, dude, and hopefully it's not going away, period.

EDIT - Just saw you're an user. Good. :)



Never thought patents would be joining the list of enemies of the state. :lol:


Yep, I"m a heavy user of Spotify. I just don't like to get my hopes up and then get them shot down again, should something happen. I'd rather prepare for the worst, and if the worst doesn't happen, then I'll be pleasantly suprised...

Also, Not only am I a user, but i'm playing the monthly fee to get the unlimited access without the crappy ads.....
 
NPR made it clear that the system was the issue, not the idea of patents themselves.

Oh I'm sure, NPR rules. I meant Cherion who wants patents abolished apparently. They are illegal enemy combatants that want to kill us and rape our women in the name of their false patent god "Patentous".
 
Yep, I"m a heavy user of Spotify. I just don't like to get my hopes up and then get them shot down again, should something happen. I'd rather prepare for the worst, and if the worst doesn't happen, then I'll be pleasantly suprised...

Also, Not only am I a user, but i'm playing the monthly fee to get the unlimited access without the crappy ads.....

Same here. I love it. Just feel bad that some musicians hate it. :lol:
 
Spotify was started by major label dudes in Sweden. They probably have better lawyers and more money than this company. I just think this company is suing for attention for its own distro service.

Is there really a connection to major labels? As far as I'm aware it was just founded by some tech dudes. Otherwise, I figured they would have had an easier time making deals with those major labels (themselves?) What exactly is a "major label dude in Sweden" anyway? Is that like a ski-jumping champ in Mali? :grin:

But yeah, they surely have plenty of their own lawyers (since they've been negotiating with the music industry!), I just figured not as many as an established patent-producing company like Apple, and more importantly, they don't have a patent portfolio of their own that they could wield to make counterclaims against PacketVideo.

Believe me, there are people much more negative about the Patent's implications that I am... I can't say if they are true or not as I know nothing about Patents....

I know a lot about patents (I have one!) and can say that what you're reading is not actually reflective of what patent people believe. Rather, it's Internet-"journalism" 101: write a sensational (often blatantly untrue) headline to get people to click and get page-views for your site. Given how interested people are in Spotify these days, it makes a lot of sense to include dire claims about them in your headlines.

Neil