I think its cheesy and way too subjective. I think calling something "true metal" is arrogant and narrow-minded, similar to calling Aryans a "pure race". Maybe that analogy is a little extreme, but you get my point.
The term "true metal" sucks
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dill_the_devil
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tr00... tr00...
But seriously, yeah, I know what you mean. Metal is metal, whether it's doom, death, thrash, black or nu. It's still not synthesised manufactured crap like Steps or N-Sync.
But seriously, yeah, I know what you mean. Metal is metal, whether it's doom, death, thrash, black or nu. It's still not synthesised manufactured crap like Steps or N-Sync.
the worst part is that they contradict themselvs usually.
some consider that black is true metal, but there is some black albums in wich I had hear orchestra instruments, choirs, electronic elements, etc.
that is true??
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don't let me start talking about the Manowar type... just rent "Spinal Tap" and laugh.
do you know that they tried to rape a girl in Spain the last time they went there? right in the middle of a break of the show. they're fuckin' mooroons.
some consider that black is true metal, but there is some black albums in wich I had hear orchestra instruments, choirs, electronic elements, etc.
that is true??
Ddon't let me start talking about the Manowar type... just rent "Spinal Tap" and laugh.
do you know that they tried to rape a girl in Spain the last time they went there? right in the middle of a break of the show. they're fuckin' mooroons.
Russell
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I consider that a completely different (and just as ridiculous) personally... But the trOO black metal is shitty production and definitely doesn't have any keyboards etc. in at all...
The annoying bit is the sheer hypocrisy and the "I feel I am the only true one" etc... There's a great example on here somewhere I remember but I can't find the thread
Arrogant? It's the truth in some cases! I love the term "TRUE BLACK METAL", displayed by Darkthrone, because it speaks for itself. Let me give you some viewpoints on that example:
I still believe that music is what you feel it is, but when some 16 year old comes along and wanna 'let me know' about how cool Dimmu and Cradle are, and how overrated Darkthrone and Mayhem etc are (many times pointing out that the sound quality is bad) - that's when the fires of Hell stirs within me.
Maybe some day "you" will FEEL what's great about bands like Darkthrone (I doubt it). That's pure fucking organic music - and it's
massive energy. I never heard of them at the beginning of the 90's when I bought my 1th Darkthrone record by 'accident'. I too thought the sound was poor... but the appealing part in that music is way different than it is for any melodic death or prog band. You need to look at another part of the musical aspect. I cannot even begin to explain.
Not strange it's tempting to use the term "TRUE" when some just cannot comprehend any of the essence of the bands that truly did/does something out of the ordinary. And then others comes along and polishes it, makes it glamorous in a way.
grrrrrrr
I know this is somewhat narrow-minded, but by the powers of Blashyrkh - that's how I feel it! Strongly!
(And yeah - I got lots of Dimmu and Cradle cd's etc, and it's ok... just not the best. This is not a hate campaign. I got 100 more points to make, but this post is big enough already)
Hail TRUE black metal! he he
I still believe that music is what you feel it is, but when some 16 year old comes along and wanna 'let me know' about how cool Dimmu and Cradle are, and how overrated Darkthrone and Mayhem etc are (many times pointing out that the sound quality is bad) - that's when the fires of Hell stirs within me.
Maybe some day "you" will FEEL what's great about bands like Darkthrone (I doubt it). That's pure fucking organic music - and it's
massive energy. I never heard of them at the beginning of the 90's when I bought my 1th Darkthrone record by 'accident'. I too thought the sound was poor... but the appealing part in that music is way different than it is for any melodic death or prog band. You need to look at another part of the musical aspect. I cannot even begin to explain.
Not strange it's tempting to use the term "TRUE" when some just cannot comprehend any of the essence of the bands that truly did/does something out of the ordinary. And then others comes along and polishes it, makes it glamorous in a way.
grrrrrrr
I know this is somewhat narrow-minded, but by the powers of Blashyrkh - that's how I feel it! Strongly!
(And yeah - I got lots of Dimmu and Cradle cd's etc, and it's ok... just not the best. This is not a hate campaign. I got 100 more points to make, but this post is big enough already)
Hail TRUE black metal! he he
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Lexicon V
hehe. It's nice to know that some others are keeping the true spirit alive Lordenill!
All hail the spirit of true black metal.
All hail the spirit of true black metal.
Russell
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I can't get past the sound. I have several Darkthrone albums, I know they are supposed to sound like that, it just really pisses me off
It may create atmosphere and energy, but music I admire doesn't need poor production to create those.. Basically I don't consider myself a fan of "raw", underdeveloped music in general...hey, i don't critizise the music in any aspect. i love black in all the ways. the labels and some egos is what I hate.
I mean, if you know or feel something, why do you have to claim that? (i hope that you understand this, english is not the language I domine the most.
I mean, if you know or feel something, why do you have to claim that? (i hope that you understand this, english is not the language I domine the most
.@veil the sky
(Nice avatar - got that CD.. Ophthalamia-Via Dolorosa. Guess that's where you got it from)
@godisanathiest
The production is to make that music sound organic (important point)... not that clinical studio sound.
That crystal clear sound works great for lots of other bands, but would ruin the whole meaning of the mentioned music.
@JJPLANO
How would it be if you weren't to discuss your feelings towards metal at all?? You obviously also have something to say about these things yourself, or you would not be here. Why should it then be a bad thing to have a deep belief in what I feel is 'true' music within a genre? If anyone asks me I will let them know that, no problem. It is within the human nature to express strong points of view, isn't it?
(Nice avatar - got that CD.. Ophthalamia-Via Dolorosa. Guess that's where you got it from)
@godisanathiest
The production is to make that music sound organic (important point)... not that clinical studio sound.
That crystal clear sound works great for lots of other bands, but would ruin the whole meaning of the mentioned music.
@JJPLANO
How would it be if you weren't to discuss your feelings towards metal at all?? You obviously also have something to say about these things yourself, or you would not be here.
Why should it then be a bad thing to have a deep belief in what I feel is 'true' music within a genre? If anyone asks me I will let them know that, no problem. It is within the human nature to express strong points of view, isn't it?
The Wanderer
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i see where you're coming from brandon. but i think its a useful terms sometimes. i dunno. but i'm an arrogant opinionated fuck. and lordenlil i see the point about true black meta. not sure if i agree with your post, i'm there. i really enjoy the true balck metal. darktrhone, old emperor (i like all their stuff) burzum, whatever it might be. but i don let the term limit me. and true black metal can have keys. listen to any burzum. specifically hvis....can't spell it.
about the production, i think production should be appropirate to the music. darkthrone would not work with a perfect abyss type production. same with burzum. anthems has a weird production, as does frost but it adds to it. its approriate for the music.
funeral doom like skepticism has a strange open production but it wouldn't be the same with fredman sound. but then i think death metal doesn't work without a good production. so its all dependan on the style of music i think
about the production, i think production should be appropirate to the music. darkthrone would not work with a perfect abyss type production. same with burzum. anthems has a weird production, as does frost but it adds to it. its approriate for the music.
funeral doom like skepticism has a strange open production but it wouldn't be the same with fredman sound. but then i think death metal doesn't work without a good production. so its all dependan on the style of music i think
Not that I ever mentioned keys, but of course I got all the
Burzum, Arcturus and the Emperor stuff as well. You name it.
And it shouldn't limit our view either, but I think you are missing
some of my point here. Darkthrone was an EXAMPLE.
Some bands I would rather label as 'true' Feels natural to me.
It's called "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss". And as x-tra info:
It means "If the light takes (grabs) us" (directly translated).
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@ Lordenlil
Cheers
Via Dolorosa is probably the most hateful music I have ever heard. It's genuinely fucked up, but in a more disturbing way than most other music. It's fucking great!
I actually found the image on an image CD I got free off the net coz it had porn on it. I opened this image called 'golden girl' and instead of mature woman porn, I saw this image and thought "cool it's that pic from the Opthalamia CD". So I used it as an avatar
I often wonder if they paid him for the image or just nicked it.
Cheers
Via Dolorosa is probably the most hateful music I have ever heard. It's genuinely fucked up, but in a more disturbing way than most other music. It's fucking great!
I actually found the image on an image CD I got free off the net coz it had porn on it. I opened this image called 'golden girl' and instead of mature woman porn, I saw this image and thought "cool it's that pic from the Opthalamia CD". So I used it as an avatar
I often wonder if they paid him for the image or just nicked it.
maestro_al
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@Dill - you sure you want to qualify nu-metal as 'metal'?
If metal maintains any of its original essence, it is that the musicians themselves can actually play their instruments, and were not brought together by a record manager for the sole purpose of taking advantage of a fad to make money from 13 year old mallrats.
I see very little difference in bands like Papa Roach, Sum41, and Hanson. They are manufactured and have labels who pay LOTS of money to have their records played round the clock on american radio rock stations that eventually lead to interviews with Carson Daly.
Nu-metal/Rap-metal is juuust about to die off too (just like any other fad). In a matter of months, we will all have forgotten Korn and Sugar Ray.
If metal maintains any of its original essence, it is that the musicians themselves can actually play their instruments, and were not brought together by a record manager for the sole purpose of taking advantage of a fad to make money from 13 year old mallrats.
I see very little difference in bands like Papa Roach, Sum41, and Hanson. They are manufactured and have labels who pay LOTS of money to have their records played round the clock on american radio rock stations that eventually lead to interviews with Carson Daly.
Nu-metal/Rap-metal is juuust about to die off too (just like any other fad). In a matter of months, we will all have forgotten Korn and Sugar Ray.
AngelWitch73
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That term "true metal" probably wouldn´t exist if there wasn´t so many non Metal bands being labeled by the media as Metal. I don´t care about it really... I listen to what I like and that´s that.
Russell
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Originally posted by Lordenlil
@godisanathiest
The production is to make that music sound organic (important point)... not that clinical studio sound. That crystal clear sound works great for lots of other bands, but would ruin the whole meaning of the mentioned music.
But some bands can get that feel without poor production, or for me at least
It just annoys me as I'm sure I would like it if the production wasn't sopping me from hearing the melodies properly so they don't get stuck in my brain...I've tried listening over and over again and that doesn't help either!1. If one cannot comprehend grim black metal as it is, you don't understand it.
2. You probably never will.
3. Imagining that it will sound cool with clean sound: You have misunderstood the whole meaning of it. Every single bit. Sorry
4. Even if the organic sound is craved in this music, it doesn't mean that bands with crystal clear sound can't have atmosphere!! Just not THAT atmosphere. (One view doesn't necessarily exclude another).
5. Read/listen to an interview by Fenriz about his music. Maybe you will get a tiny step closer to understanding some of this. (Still dwelling on the Darkthrone example)
6. If someone doesn't get my point by now; too bad.
7. No - I don't think you're dumb (in case it might seem like it). But I think this music is not for you.
8. I am putting my part of this discussion to rest now.
9. I will NEVER stop calling this kinda black TRUE!
muhahahhahaaaaaaaaaaa
Russell
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Probably quite true I can't say it bothers me either Personally I don't think it's a big thing that you either "get" or "don't get" or understand, its just taste - some people like it or can stand it some can't, nothing more... But I can also understand how it could become like that if they're you're favourite band 
