This mix fucking sucks!

[Canaan]

I need some help getting some energy in this mix. The guys I'm recording really want a Coheed/Bayside kind of sound and I can't seem to get close to that at all. It is like the mix is lacking energy. Also the piece has not been completly editted yet so don't mind that. Any suggestions?


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=761660

 

[ExDown]

I need some help getting some energy in this mix. The guys I'm recording really want a Coheed/Bayside kind of sound and I can't seem to get close to that at all. It is like the mix is lacking energy. Also the piece has not been completly editted yet so don't mind that. Any suggestions?


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=761660

I'm listening in shitty speakers for the moment. But the bass could be much thicker, that might help. Then maybe fattening up the guitars by duplicating the tracks and paning 100% and the others 75-80%? Just try some stuff, you'll get there.

 

[AStacy2]

Can you post a mp3? Also, I wouldn't reccomend dupicating the guitar tracks. This can cause phase problems, just double/quad track them if you feel they could benefit from it.

 

[ExDown]

Can you post a mp3? Also, I wouldn't reccomend dupicating the guitar tracks. This can cause phase problems, just double/quad track them if you feel they could benefit from it.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Not recording with 4 mics. But copying the tracks.

 

[AStacy2]

I reccomended not copying the tracks but PLAYING them 2 or 4 seperate times. Phasing between multiple mics while recording is a whole seperate issue. I think you misunderstood me.

 

[ExDown]

I reccomended not copying the tracks but PLAYING them 2 or 4 seperate times. Phasing between multiple mics while recording is a whole seperate issue. I think you misunderstood me.

Yes, then I simply misunderstood you. I just never had that problem myself so..

 

[Unavailable]

I think it's pretty good so far. The guitars are a little low in the mix compared to drums, however.

 

[AStacy2]

So you usually copy/paste the guitar tracks? What advantages does that have vs actually playing them? I can't think of many.

 

[Unavailable]

So you usually copy/paste the guitar tracks? What advantages does that have vs actually playing them? I can't think of many.

Not having to play it again. That's it.

 

[ExDown]

So you usually copy/paste the guitar tracks? What advantages does that have vs actually playing them? I can't think of many.

Tried copying them and put delay with 20-40 ms or so, then panned them about 100% and 75%. Made the sound much fuller,... but that's only my opinion. And when your into technical death metal as I am, doing quad takes 100% tight is almost impossible.

 

[AStacy2]

If your playing such technical death metal, shouldn't you be able to play the same thing twice? I think so. Sorry man, I'm not picking on you but copying and pasting defeats the purpose of double or quad tracking entirely and I'd rather that people knew that actually playing instead of copy/paste makes the sound WAY better.

 

[Canaan]

HextheNet I'm not really sure how you guys post your mp3's directly on here. The link I posted takes you to Soundclick. Its in mp3 format.

 

[AStacy2]

There's a Sticky about the Forum FTP on the front page. My DAW dosen't touch the internet so I wanted to download it on my another cpu to listen to it on my monitors ect. and give you a better opinion.

 

[ExDown]

If your playing such technical death metal, shouldn't you be able to play the same thing twice? I think so. Sorry man, I'm not picking on you but copying and pasting defeats the purpose of double or quad tracking entirely and I'd rather that people knew that actually playing instead of copy/paste makes the sound WAY better.

If you have ever tried recording tech. death then you would know it tends to get REALLY muddy, let's just say Spawn of Possession, they did their guitars with 3 mics and thats it (For the "Cabinet" album, and don't tell me that's not the case cause I've talked with Dennis the drummer about it.). No re-playing or anything, just wouldn't work.

I'm not saying copy pasting is BETTER, i know that isn't better than actually playing the thing again. But there is sertain musicstyles where that only damages the mix, wether your a great guitarplayer or not. I think you should know this,.. wierd.

 

[nwright]

If you have ever tried recording tech. death then you would know it tends to get REALLY muddy, let's just say Spawn of Possession, they did their guitars with 3 mics and thats it (For the "Cabinet" album, and don't tell me that's not the case cause I've talked with Dennis the drummer about it.). No re-playing or anything, just wouldn't work.

I'm not saying copy pasting is BETTER, i know that isn't better than actually playing the thing again. But there is sertain musicstyles where that only damages the mix, wether your a great guitarplayer or not. I think you should know this,.. wierd.

*slaps forehead.

Dude...

 

[grywolf627]

Tried copying them and put delay with 20-40 ms or so, then panned them about 100% and 75%. Made the sound much fuller,... but that's only my opinion. And when your into technical death metal as I am, doing quad takes 100% tight is almost impossible.

Huh? Ummm....ookkaaay.

...they did their guitars with 3 mics and thats it (For the "Cabinet" album, and don't tell me that's not the case cause I've talked with Dennis the drummer about it.). No re-playing or anything, just wouldn't work.

I generally stay out of these, but...do we just have a terminology problem here? Waiting to see where this thread goes.

 

[ExDown]

I need some help getting some energy in this mix. The guys I'm recording really want a Coheed/Bayside kind of sound and I can't seem to get close to that at all. It is like the mix is lacking energy. Also the piece has not been completly editted yet so don't mind that. Any suggestions?


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=761660

We'll since nobody likes the ideas i've suggestied, I'm sorry guys... I was totally wrong with everything, tech. death metal is easy for recording 4 or even 12 tracks, and if you can't do it your too bad at playing guitar.

What the dude wanted help with was how to get the already RECORDED stuff better, not how to call in the band and redoing all the guitartracks!

Atleast i'm trying to give the guy some tips, all you guys done is to tell ME what I'm doing wrong. Shame on you

 

[AStacy2]

Like I said man, no one is picking on you. Most people on here are in search of the best sound and it will sound better if you actually play the track at least two seperate times to make the track sound bigger even if it does take some extra time while tracking.

 

[ExDown]

Like I said man, no one is picking on you. Most people on here are in search of the best sound and it will sound better if you actually play the track at least two seperate times to make the track sound bigger even if it does take some extra time while tracking.

Yes Hex, I understand that. But like I said; this isn't an option for this guy since the band has already done their work. I've never said copying is better than tracking it twice or more.. He just wanted help with this mix,

 

[Canaan]

There's a Sticky about the Forum FTP on the front page. My DAW dosen't touch the internet so I wanted to download it on my another cpu to listen to it on my monitors ect. and give you a better opinion.

Dude I understand what you are saying. I'll post as soon as I can. Thanks.