What the hell was Arch Enemy thinking???

Nate The Great

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The new album is a TOTAL dissappointment . . . and this is coming from someone that likes the new Nevermore.

Here's my complaints:

1) The songwriting is terrible. All the riffs sound like a new metal cover band.

2) All the songs are at the same tempo . . . medium paced.

3) What's up with the praise for the drummer??? He's barely average. Obviously enough people haven't heard Mastodon . . .

4) The DVD included is AUDIO ONLY. What's the point of that? Just put it on a CD so I can listen to it anywhere.

5) Did I mention terrible songwriting? The solos don't fit, the songs were obviously uninspired and rushed, and not a single song sticks out (except maybe the classical guitar piece).

Angela's vocals are actually the only good thing on the album.

This album makes Reroute to Remain sound like a classic melodeath album.
 
npearce said:
4) The DVD included is AUDIO ONLY. What's the point of that? Just put it on a CD so I can listen to it anywhere.
The cynic in me says "free DVD!" probably sells more copies than "free CD!"
 
Agreed.

I have never been a huge Arch Enemy fan, but I thought that Black Earth,Stigmata and Burning Bridges were alright, only owning BB, but having heard the rest through friends. Wages of Sin got so much hype, I actually bought the album. It's not that I think it's bad, I just find it very mediocre and generally uninteresting.

However, I downloaded the new one and it is just flat out crap in my book.
 
Daniel Erlandsson a good drummer? Surely you jest!

phyre, you make a good point. Methinks Arch Enemy can't remove the "$" from their eyes.

And I still laugh every time I read the Terrorizer with the Arch Enemy cover. Mike Amott looks like a nu-metal reject. Is that really the same guy that played on Necroticism? He needs to quit banging Angela and play like he used to.
 
Maybe. Maybe. But all the blame can hardly be placed on the record label. The label maybe places illusions of grandeur in the eyes of the band, but it is the band that act on them.
 
Gosh - I didn't realize there was all this pent up hostility...!

npearce said:
1) The songwriting is terrible. All the riffs sound like a new metal cover band.

Fair enough - but if I were a devout Manowar fan, why would I bother with something like Khanate? Surely Arch Enemy wasn't your cup of tea even before you heard a single note, no?

3) What's up with the praise for the drummer??? He's barely average. Obviously enough people haven't heard Mastodon . . .

Was this aimed at me for praising him? Ok sorry, I'll stop praising Daniel Erlandsson. Just kidding! I really like him - sorry if that offends. By the way, I met him last night at the NY show - he's a cool dude. They put on a really good show. I own Mastodon's Remission album too. It's grrrrreat! I see the good in everything. :)

Angela's vocals are actually the only good thing on the album.

That's really interesting actually. Lots of people who loved WoS actually disliked the vocals on AoR.

It's my birthday today. :)
 
Happy birthday :D

Bugger boo...the album not that good, is it? The only thing that stopped me buying it already was the fact it's £17 in HMV >_<
 
JayKeeley said:
Thank you! So you not going to Bloodstock tonight are ya? Did you manage to catch PQ on any of their other shows?

Nah, no Bloodstock, cos all me mates are GEIGH and posers :loco: and on reflection I have to wonder how the hell I would've got the money together for it. Next year, though!
As for PowerQuest...no joy. The Bristol gig we were planning on going to turned out to be Stricly 18+, so I decided it wasn't worth the chance of being stranded far away doing nothing :mad: Next year, though!

Apparently so....I must have missed the memo. :tickled:

Heh. I'll wait til I can remember how all the songs on Wages of Sin go like before I tuck into this one...I'll have to wait for the price to drop as well :erk: SEVENTEEN FUCKING QUID! I can buy four or five good LPs local with that money!
 
JayKeeley said:
Gosh - I didn't realize there was all this pent up hostility...!



Fair enough - but if I were a devout Manowar fan, why would I bother with something like Khanate? Surely Arch Enemy wasn't your cup of tea even before you heard a single note, no?

I was actually really looking forward to this new album. I thought Wages of Sin was good, but it slowly fell behind Burning Bridges. A Terrorizer interview made this new album sound more like Burning Bridges . . . but with more thrash. That would have been awesome. Anyway, I like a very broad range of music. Much like you do. This album is truly a dissappointment. I'll be sure to listen to it several more times, though.

Was this aimed at me for praising him? Ok sorry, I'll stop praising Daniel Erlandsson. Just kidding! I really like him - sorry if that offends. By the way, I met him last night at the NY show - he's a cool dude. They put on a really good show. I own Mastodon's Remission album too. It's grrrrreat! I see the good in everything. :)

Actually, I've seen several people praise the drummer (and bass player). I just don't see what is so good about what he is doing.


That's really interesting actually. Lots of people who loved WoS actually disliked the vocals on AoR.

I like the way she makes it sound like a snarl instead of a roar. The vocals are a little more unique that way. She still sounds nothing like she looks.

It's my birthday today. :)

Happy birthday! How old???
 
npearce said:
I was actually really looking forward to this new album. I thought Wages of Sin was good, but it slowly fell behind Burning Bridges.

I thought they were on par to be honest. I liked the fact that BB was slightly darker sounding, and in a live setting the material works really well. It stands out. WoS on the other sounds much better, in comparison, on CD. You know - very clean sounding...typical Fredrik Nordstrom production trademarks. I think Andy Sneap did an outstanding job bringing AoR back to a BB sound.

A Terrorizer interview made this new album sound more like Burning Bridges . . . but with more thrash. That would have been awesome.

Ho ho! You know, that makes me feel very good. That's how I interpreted the album, and that's EXACTLY what I said in my review, and I don't read Terrorizer, honestly. I actually thought you were pointing out the flaws in my review (which would be fine) when you posted this thread. And feel free to add to the "reviews you dispute" thread - it gets resurrected from time to time, heh.

If you don't like Arch Enemy in general, then you're not going to like AoR. Now of course, if you like AE and you hate AoR in particular, then your argument carries a little more credence. npearce, AoR really grows on you though - it's organic. I learned that to be the case with Recreation Day (Evergrey) too - I hated it at first, and now it's edging it's way in to my head....but I digress.

Anyway, I like a very broad range of music. Much like you do.

Yeah sure, I was just using the analogy. I mean, for those who hate AE in general, then why would it be such a shock that they wouldn't like AoR???? I mean, if you already hate Rhapsody, then why wait with baited breath for their next release....? Isn't it already all a forgone conclusion in other words?

Actually, I've seen several people praise the drummer (and bass player). I just don't see what is so good about what he is doing.

I think D'Angelo is great - the stuff he's played for Mercyful Fate and Witchery is outstanding - particularly the Witchery stuff, just because he's given a little more leeway no doubt.

I like what Erlandsson does for AE, and I am floored by his drumming on Velvet Creation. That album is perfection for me in the melo-death scene.

I like the way she makes it sound like a snarl instead of a roar. The vocals are a little more unique that way. She still sounds nothing like she looks.

Right - and it matches the music really well this time round. I'm SO GLAD that AE have walked away from the Slaughter of the Soul bandwagon that they could have easily jumped on after WoS. I'll stick to my guns and take AoR over 99% of any NEW other melo-death album these days.

Also, she's a really nice person from what I can gather. She takes her time out for the fans, and she seems intelligent as well. I talked to her for a while at the Iron Maidens gig. I think AE get a bad rap for being rock star types, but last night AE hung out with the fans until everyone left. I'm also impressed with the fact that she's currently writing a book to promote the female scene in the metal world - might help to get rid of some of the inherent mysoginy (sp?) portrayed by the average metal male geek.

Happy birthday! How old???

33. \m/ :lol:
 
I'll definitely give the album several more listens. It just really surprised me with it's simplicity over previous albums. Do those solos ever start to sound any less forced?
 
npearce said:
I'll definitely give the album several more listens. It just really surprised me with it's simplicity over previous albums. Do those solos ever start to sound any less forced?

Probably not. Arch Enemy pride themselves on being very constructive and methodical song writers - that is, everything fits in its place. The point is, if you don't like that specific formula then you might as well steer clear altogether. You'll never hear a freeform breakout section, jam interlude, or instrument change like you would with, say, Opeth.

If you were a novice guitar player, you could do worse than learn the methodical playing methods of the Amott brothers, Dave Mustaine, or even Kai Hansen. It's all well crafted music that fits into a neat container, does that make sense? All the scales and diminished runs are fucking textbook in other words, heh!

Some people like that. Randy Rhoads was hailed for it.
 
I have to offer a dissenting opinion here; "Anthems" is a real strong disc. I like the songs, I like the riffs, I like the tempos, I like Angela's vox, and I don't hear a NuMetal vibe.
GZ
 
It's not really nu metal I'm hearing. It's just that the riffs are very simple (compared to past stuff) . . . nu metal tends to have the simple riffs and song structures as well.