When did mainstream Rock start sucking?
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SouthernTrendkill
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Well for me, the 80s was the worst period for music. Still some absolutely mind-shattering bands, but overall I liked the sound the least in the 80s. I don't listen to much mainstream modern rock as most of the bands I listen to from the 00s are metal or Regina Spektor. I don't like the stuff today because it is too cleanly produced. But in the future I will probably like it because I used to not like the 90s but eventually it became perhaps my favorite decade.
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^ Yeah, although Nirvana influenced some good bands they also pushed away some good ones out of mainstream music.
I personally think 2006, I mean Fall Out Boy before 2006 still had some tunes that were kinda good. But now these days in mainstream Rock they do stupid shit. And in other mainstream they do other stupid shit. Check out this song. When I heard it I was thinking "what the fuck is with the chipmunk vocals in the chorus".
Other than the gay chorus I think some parts of the song are good. And thank God Akon isn't singing through a fucking vocoder again.
Not really, I want to find out when and what caused it.
I personally think 2006, I mean Fall Out Boy before 2006 still had some tunes that were kinda good. But now these days in mainstream Rock they do stupid shit. And in other mainstream they do other stupid shit. Check out this song. When I heard it I was thinking "what the fuck is with the chipmunk vocals in the chorus".
Other than the gay chorus I think some parts of the song are good. And thank God Akon isn't singing through a fucking vocoder again.
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I can't choose a year but probably after the millennium.
I like 90's alternative bands and some grunge(Alice in Chains, Melvins)
but nowadays it's just one shit sandwich after another they are trying to shove down everyone's throats.
Emo,rap,dance,country all suck major cock.
I like 90's alternative bands and some grunge(Alice in Chains, Melvins)
but nowadays it's just one shit sandwich after another they are trying to shove down everyone's throats.
Emo,rap,dance,country all suck major cock.
yes it is because its as old as radio.
I bet when they stopped playing big band swing and bebop people got upset. Im sure when RnR evolved into rock people were disappointed. Its just another lets bash something thread. How about something like the highs and lows of radio but thats even insignificant according to taste.
My first high point would have been early 70's with bands like the Guess Who, Three Dog Night, Doobie Brothers and songs like Alright Now and Aqualung were getting airplay, Hocus Pocus, Frankenstien and countless others. Ever heard the song Vehical by Ides of March ? Whos that Lady - The Isley Brothers ?
Then a low point for me was mid 70's with Disco and rock bands like Kiss, Foreigner, Foghat poluting the air waves with simpleton pointless nonsence. But that just goes to show. Disco swept the country and may have been one of the biggest rages and club high points in musical history. Kiss is some kind of fan phenom and those Foreigner and Foghat songs were playing on juke boxes everywhere you went. You couldnt get away from them, the public loved it and were dropping their quarters left and right. Joan Jett wrote a song about it and that was played over and over and I did not like it. Thank goodness for Southern Rock, progressive rock and jazz fusion we had alternatives to play on the turntable
Pop metal had some great years with some decent alternative and new wave sounds going around in the 80's. But it grew old and along came Grunge and we were disappointed. I absolutely hated Smashing Pumkins and Nirvana.
So your starting posts that are totally irrelevent because another person from the 70's and 80's and 90's would turn around and give the complete opposite of my musical taste and say Disco was a god send and The Guess Who sucked. Pop metal sucked and Grunge was mommas titties. Just bash threads.
Seriously you guys are filling up this section of the forum with "who sucks" threads, seems so immature to me. Do you want to discuss music or turn the vacumn cleaner on all the time... myself I always found it to be an annoying sound, especially when trying to listen to......... music
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I seem to remember it being sometime between 95 and 97, but then again, most of the stuff I thought was good back then would sound like shit to me now.
And quit blaming Nirvana, they didn't set out with some kind of agenda to "ruin rock music" or whatever. They were just a band that hung out with other bands like Sonic Youth and made honest music. I wish they hadn't gotten so popular either, but my reason for that is because jocks and assholes liked Nirvana, who the music was definitely not meant to appeal to.
And quit blaming Nirvana, they didn't set out with some kind of agenda to "ruin rock music" or whatever. They were just a band that hung out with other bands like Sonic Youth and made honest music. I wish they hadn't gotten so popular either, but my reason for that is because jocks and assholes liked Nirvana, who the music was definitely not meant to appeal to.
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Very true. Nirvana is probably the only good band that Emo chicks like. Yeah I guess I never thought of them as doing their own thing and not meaning to push Metal out of the mainstream, I mean they derived from Metal.
Well if you don't like it, make your own threads.
Well if you don't like it, make your own threads.
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Very true. Nirvana is probably the only good band that Emo chicks like. Yeah I guess I never thought of them as doing their own thing and not meaning to push Metal out of the mainstream, I mean they derived from Metal.
Well if you don't like it, make your own threads.
I would say they derived more from bands in the 80s like Sonic Youth, Husker Du, and Meat Puppets, but there is a definite Black Sabbath influence in there.
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I really can't say I hate Nirvana it's just that the radio killed them for me and others I'm sure. Tracks like On a Plain, Vs. course Vs., and the Meat Puppets tracks on Unplugged are phenomenal.
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False Joe
Who cares.
About the time the producer's started stumping up the cash for their services.
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The music business isn't musical anymore. Its more social science and finding out whats "in" with people, so that they can make music that will appeal to more people. Funny how when they did that more people started saying the famous phrase "fuck the mainstream." Whatever, its not like anyone makes me listen to that crap. And I can't complain I've heard worse music.
but this is where you miss the point. Its always been this way, its nothing new, your just drawing assumptions from your short period of awareness.
I started listening to country in the early 90's because most of the rock was so amature. This is the same period from which the grunge sound some praise just didnt cut it for many of us. I remember thinking so many times, "that sounds like one of those shit jams we swore we'd never do again." "that sounds like a riff I came up with one night screwing around that I felt was way to elementary to pursue any further" The grunge sound was mainstream and became the trend through the 90's for many bands. No different than all the metal bands now that feel the "vocalists" should all do the "gutteral voice"... its mainstream as all hell. Anything that becomes a trend is MAINSTREAM. The blues had a short period of mainstream during the mid late 80's, it doesnt mean it sucked, in fact we got some really great popular blues songs out of this period.
When Zeppelin became mainstream those of us that knew of them from the beginning had already wore their first four albums out. Then they were not even mainstream, they became FM radio which was just growing in mid 70's. Back at that time AM radio was the "top fourty" stations that would play songs over and over and over.FM radio was almost like underground at first because on FM you could hear stuff that AM would never play, discover new bands, hear album cuts instead of 45 singles produced for the purpose of become "hits", ect.
Motown, that had all the great R&B artists of the day had song writers that wrote to a formula for the soul purpose of targeting the domestic audience and were quite successfull.
Nashville..... same deal
In the studio, bands songs were limited in lenght against their desires so that they could get air play. Bands signed contracts that they would write and record X number of songs or albums within a year... or else...
In the early 70's we had puff "rock" bands poping out of the wood work as one hit wonders, all writing the same chezzy formula with the intent of 45 single hits.
In the late 60's, early 70's we had "bubblegum pop" rock bands writing song after song aimed at the young female audience. One example that has always stuck with me is "The Raspberrys" they had a couple cheezyish "hits". I used to follow the show "In Concert" that was on late every Sat. night, in case they had a band I was into. Well one night one of the bands was "The Raspberrys" and I thought "oh geeze" but I stayed up and watched it. Well let me tell you they played one of their "hits" and after that they rocked out, did a great live "jam" and I was quite impressed, you would have never know that if you went by what the industry allowed on the radio.
The "Disco" craze had bands poping out of the woodwork like beetle larvae, all targeted at the new youth craze, and hardrock and progressive rock like Yes, ELP mostly died in the mainstream, Rush, Queen and Kansas were the few exceptions but once again read what I wrote about early FM radio, it was not like it is today, FM radio was a automotive option that most cars were bought without. AM still ruled the top fourty pop modern culture establishing trends. Now today is similiar with Satelite vs FM radio. Between XM and MP3 players, combined with internet music, internet sales of products, massive chain stores that dont need to advertise, FM is in trouble and needs to play to the masses of domestic sheep like AM used to and get advertisers that know their station has a large listening audience. The music industry itself is in trouble from the internet. Walk into a "record store" today and theirs little to nothing by comparision of the size of the stores in the 80's with cassetts and albums by anybody and everybody coming out their ears and lots of traffic and sales.
The same thing with Disco happened following that with new wave and hip hop.
Listen to all the old R&R from the late 50's and early 60's... talk about a formulated & formated music.
Yes we have somewhat more obvious crap going on now with the Disney teen idols, the Boy Band period, Rap/hip hop is to me what replaced Disco. The "pop metal" bands were extremely formulated and if they had one song good enough to meet the A typical pop metal sound they got recorded.
Yes If you think back to the best of the early bands you will find some uniqueness and it was easier then, they had fewer influences, they were pioneering new aspects of rock music, there was less money in the industry to take in every tom, dick and harry. However no one ever talks about all the spin off bands that were taking their shot for the top fourty countdown... and who do you think was footing the bills and reaping the harvest?.... The record companies and do you think they gave bands "artistic freedom" ? Think again.
The world is little more than a big market and everyone is targeting something in the name of big green bills. Nothing new about that.
Motown, that had all the great R&B artists of the day had song writers that wrote to a formula for the soul purpose of targeting the domestic audience and were quite successfull.
Nashville..... same deal
In the studio, bands songs were limited in lenght against their desires so that they could get air play. Bands signed contracts that they would write and record X number of songs or albums within a year... or else...
In the early 70's we had puff "rock" bands poping out of the wood work as one hit wonders, all writing the same chezzy formula with the intent of 45 single hits.
In the late 60's, early 70's we had "bubblegum pop" rock bands writing song after song aimed at the young female audience. One example that has always stuck with me is "The Raspberrys" they had a couple cheezyish "hits". I used to follow the show "In Concert" that was on late every Sat. night, in case they had a band I was into. Well one night one of the bands was "The Raspberrys" and I thought "oh geeze" but I stayed up and watched it. Well let me tell you they played one of their "hits" and after that they rocked out, did a great live "jam" and I was quite impressed, you would have never know that if you went by what the industry allowed on the radio.
The "Disco" craze had bands poping out of the woodwork like beetle larvae, all targeted at the new youth craze, and hardrock and progressive rock like Yes, ELP mostly died in the mainstream, Rush, Queen and Kansas were the few exceptions but once again read what I wrote about early FM radio, it was not like it is today, FM radio was a automotive option that most cars were bought without. AM still ruled the top fourty pop modern culture establishing trends. Now today is similiar with Satelite vs FM radio. Between XM and MP3 players, combined with internet music, internet sales of products, massive chain stores that dont need to advertise, FM is in trouble and needs to play to the masses of domestic sheep like AM used to and get advertisers that know their station has a large listening audience. The music industry itself is in trouble from the internet. Walk into a "record store" today and theirs little to nothing by comparision of the size of the stores in the 80's with cassetts and albums by anybody and everybody coming out their ears and lots of traffic and sales.
The same thing with Disco happened following that with new wave and hip hop.
Listen to all the old R&R from the late 50's and early 60's... talk about a formulated & formated music.
Yes we have somewhat more obvious crap going on now with the Disney teen idols, the Boy Band period, Rap/hip hop is to me what replaced Disco. The "pop metal" bands were extremely formulated and if they had one song good enough to meet the A typical pop metal sound they got recorded.
Yes If you think back to the best of the early bands you will find some uniqueness and it was easier then, they had fewer influences, they were pioneering new aspects of rock music, there was less money in the industry to take in every tom, dick and harry. However no one ever talks about all the spin off bands that were taking their shot for the top fourty countdown... and who do you think was footing the bills and reaping the harvest?.... The record companies and do you think they gave bands "artistic freedom" ? Think again.
The world is little more than a big market and everyone is targeting something in the name of big green bills. Nothing new about that.
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