When should you go legit with your studio?

selke61

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So, because I have paranoid friends and family, I've been a little worried myself lately. I heard of stories of regular home studio producers get fucked by the man because they didn't have a license or payed taxes. I don't know if making $80 a song here and there is considered full time, but when should I consider going full time? I mean, I dont even make enough to support myself. I'm going to college for Science, not even for Audio Engineering. I'm not even a threat to commercial studios. I mostly record 1-2 songs for upcoming bands or an EP here and there. So, should I be worried right now?
 
I think the best thing way of deciding is once you earn enough to pay tax. In the UK it's around £6,500 I believe, I've just read in the USA it's only $400 :OMG:

Basically, if you dodge tax, the state is gonna fuck you as hard as they possibly can. They're above the law (for real), and they WILL come after you.

The beauty of this is claiming expenses. If you run a home studio, you can declare virtually everything as business expenses; rent, bills, gear, it's awesome :D I'm not sure how it works across the pond though :erk:
 
uhhh... yes, you read it wrong.


you should become a "legit" company when you figure out the laws and rights that pertain to you, as a business owner in your region. in the states there are several ways to become "self employed."

it doesn't matter how much you earn to claim income. you can claim as much as you want. when you own a business (in the states) there are things call itemized deductions you can claim to offset the annual income.

personally, i own property and equipment, so it is important to claim the amount it takes to maintain that equipment and property. this is deducted from my annual gross income.

if i made $80,000 last year in profit but spent ***$40,000 on equipment purchases and maintenance etc, then i can deduct that figure from my annual income and it would appear that i only made $40,000 (because 80k minus 40k = 40k). tax write-offs can help you gain top line revenue at the end of the year/quarter. the reason (some) engineers get screwed over on taxes is because they don't realize that they are responsible for tax deductions/don't pay taxes, then end up with a bill from the IRS.

i don't know where you live (country/state) but taxes typically work the same (in most places) it just depends on what you are being taxed and the authority's purpose for taxing it at the end of the year.

typically, the more you profit... the more you will end up paying the government at the end of the quarter/year. however if you learn to regulate the deductions (with a great accountant) you can decrease the perceived income furthermore end up on top at the beginning of the next quarter/year.


i'd say... the most important thing you should do (before starting a "legit" studio) is make money that you can arrange to make deposits into a business account. then apply for a business license and finally higher an accountant. i think you should also learn the rules as they pertain to you if you want to bend them.

good luck, sonny-jim! ;)
 
uhhh... yes, you read it wrong.


you should become a "legit" company when you figure out the laws and rights that pertain to you, as a business owner in your region. in the states there are several ways to become "self employed."

it doesn't matter how much you earn to claim income. you can claim as much as you want. when you own a business (in the states) there are things call itemized deductions you can claim to offset the annual income.

personally, i own property and equipment, so it is important to claim the amount it takes to maintain that equipment and property. this is deducted from my annual gross income.

if i made $80,000 last year in profit but spent ***$40,000 on equipment purchases and maintenance etc, then i can deduct that figure from my annual income and it would appear that i only made $40,000 (because 80k minus 40k = 40k). tax write-offs can help you gain top line revenue at the end of the year/quarter. the reason (some) engineers get screwed over on taxes is because they don't realize that they are responsible for tax deductions/don't pay taxes, then end up with a bill from the IRS.

i don't know where you live (country/state) but taxes typically work the same (in most places) it just depends on what you are being taxed and the authority's purpose for taxing it at the end of the year.

typically, the more you profit... the more you will end up paying the government at the end of the quarter/year. however if you learn to regulate the deductions (with a great accountant) you can decrease the perceived income furthermore end up on top at the beginning of the next quarter/year.


i'd say... the most important thing you should do (before starting a "legit" studio) is make money that you can arrange to make deposits into a business account. then apply for a business license and finally higher an accountant. i think you should also learn the rules as they pertain to you if you want to bend them.

good luck, sonny-jim! ;)


Sir, thank you so much! This was such a thorough post! Well, I do wanna start going "full time" (I assume you would put it) but I really don't make enough at all. So far, I've recorded 3 serious bands, a few handful of upcoming bands and side projects. Nothing that can support me as a 20 year old living on his own going to college. When the time comes, I will deff get my license and look into how things are done. I just don't wanna seem sleazy. I don't want to steal from competing studios unless I'm playing fair, but in all seriousness, I can't call this my job yet. No way I could pay taxes and bills with what I make right now off of this. With the cash I get now, I just use it to buy new and better gear. So expect a similar thread in the future asking for a rundown on the process of running a full time studio. I never started or know how to start a business. :loco:
 
Ive been wondering this too, I've been making pretty good money but I just do everything through paypal/cash transactions and local government doesn't say anything. (yet)

selke61 said:
I'm going to college for Science, not even for Audio Engineering.

Haha same here dude
Then my clients get all like "you don't even go to school for this and your charging $xxx?? 0.o" -.-
 
Haha well, my clients actually think I should charge more because they think I'm really good (and trust me, I know I have A LOT to learn still) and I never had a band complain about having to pay. They think it's cool I learned how to record on my own. And I only accept cash because it's just easier.
 
i don't know where you live (country/state) but taxes typically work the same (in most places) it just depends on what you are being taxed and the authority's purpose for taxing it at the end of the year.

I live in upstate New York. I'm not good with taxes and legal stuff. Still a sculpting young mind haha.
 
I just do everything through paypal/cash transactions and local government doesn't say anything.

this is a law, now. you must file paypal taxes if you have indeed; "been making pretty good money."

report it, or eventually lose everything.

I'm not good with taxes and legal stuff.

hire an accountant, when you start making decent money... most of the time the accountant will show you a thing or two.
 
timislegend said:
this is a law, now. you must file paypal taxes if you have indeed; "been making pretty good money."

report it, or eventually lose everything.
Ouch yeah I have done like no research on this
I'm REALLY glad this thread was made I've been wondering about all of this stuff.