mesa oversized dimensions lolwaut.

[Sloan]

dammit. i finally got a mesa 4x12 and the dimensions are exactly the same as my trusty Crate Blue Voodoo cab with WGS Veteran 30's that i've had forever except the mesa is an inch or so taller. i was expecting a much larger cab.

upon first listens and quickly micing it up, i had compared it to a reamp with same amp/close settings and the mesa definitely has a much tighter low end, but it's the same general sound.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I think external dimension is kept relatively consistent mostly for convenience purposes. The Mesa likely has a noticeably more spacious internal dimension, and much more dense sides and top.

You know you can't post a statement like that without first providing the cleeps :Spin:

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Might be a Stiletto traditional?

 

[Sloan]

it's the 4fb, but for some reason i expected a bigger difference in size/tone. just got internet back here at home, will post a clip soon.

 

[Sloan]

1. Crate Blue Voodoo 4x12 / WGS Veteran 30's
2. Mesa Oversized / Vintage 30's

SM57

The guy had the mesa cab for 25 years so i'm assuming the v30's are not Chinese.
Mic placement/amp settings is not exactly the same, i just threw it up on the mesa and went with it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17514020/SloanZone/Audio/crateveteran30_mesavintage30.mp3

 

[amarshism]

I'm gon a say it's a trad then. Aren't the oversized cabs a mid/late 90s thing?

 

[Brandon E.]

Aren't the oversized cabs a mid/late 90s thing?

No... the Rectifier cab is oversized, the Stiletto (traditional) cab is not. As long as there is a Rectifier there is an oversized cab. And the 4FB is definitely an oversized cab.

That crate cab actually doesn't sound bad, but I think there is a huge difference in sound between your two cabs, so I disagree with you there.

 

[Nimvi]

To be honest...from that clip, I think the Crate cab sounds a lot better Isn't it because you are used to that cab and are able to dial and mic up a good sound more instinctively?

 

[4Eyes]

Aren't the oversized cabs a mid/late 90s thing?

no and especially not now when mesa changed name convention after stiletto line was discontinued. again there are recto trad. and recto stand. oversize cabs

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Guitar Cabinets/RECTOcabs/RECTO-CABS-Main2012.htm

 

[bryan_kilco]

To be honest...from that clip, I think the Crate cab sounds a lot better Isn't it because you are used to that cab and are able to dial and mic up a good sound more instinctively?

+1

 

[nervirasme]

To be honest...from that clip, I think the Crate cab sounds a lot better Isn't it because you are used to that cab and are able to dial and mic up a good sound more instinctively?

Much MUCH better!

 

[JakeAC5253]

Yeah, I think you will find that the Recto cab has a really nice and tight low end, but the highs are a bit repressed. Try to tweak the presence knob on the amp until the sound is more defined and less compressed sounding and the signature tone of the cabinet will come out.

 

[Wrecknine]

I run my Dual recto into a Blue Voodoo cab and have been feeling the pressure to "upgrade" to a Mesa oversized. Looking back, would you say upgrading the speakers is the wisest move? The WGS Veteran 30 speakers you chose seem to be modded in the midrange. Was that something you were looking for?

I'm not very knowledgeable about the differences in cab construction so I'm just doing the tone/$$$ mental dance here.

 

[amarshism]

So Mesa made the oversized cabs in the 80s?

 

[Sloan]

I run my Dual recto into a Blue Voodoo cab and have been feeling the pressure to "upgrade" to a Mesa oversized. Looking back, would you say upgrading the speakers is the wisest move? The WGS Veteran 30 speakers you chose seem to be modded in the midrange. Was that something you were looking for?

I'm not very knowledgeable about the differences in cab construction so I'm just doing the tone/$$$ mental dance here.

I bought the WGS speakers back when they were like $40-50 a piece. They cost more now, but they do supposedly sound different in the midrange a little bit.
Some of the Blue Voodoo cabs actually came with Vintage 30's the one I had did not, and the veteran's were a cheap option then.

The Crate has much looser lowend, and you can really feel how tight the mesa is when playing it.

The clip is not a perfect representation at all, I just threw the mic up on the mesa and recorded it. It's pretty close to the grill and right on the dustcap/cone seam, so naturally there's more highs. I think the crate was mic'd a little more off and maybe an inch off the grille.


I want to do a true speaker comparison and will probably do an x pattern in each cab with two Veteran 30's and two Vintage 30's. But that's for later.


Thread was started, because I believed the mesa was going to be huge compared to my crate.

 

[Clark Kent]

If both cabs have same speakers and same dimensions but one is tighter it's down to build quality and materials. I think you could get your Crate tighter simply by opening it up and tightening all the screws inside it. Try it if you're interested.

 

[Derpsicle]

If it's that old it doen't have the V30's I think.

 

[MarcusGHedwig]

Could you humor us with a pic? Can't listen to the clips now as I'm at work, but I will when I get home

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I have a 12 year old blue voodoo crate cab that came with vintage 30s stock. Cab is solid, speakers are solid, hardware is solid. In fact I flipped a car going 60 with this cab in the back and all I had to show for it was some ripped tolex on the back.

Crate has a handful of shit that wasn't that bad. They really did fuck themselves with some of the terrible amps they put out though.

I have popped the back off to have a look at the speakers and it's not like marshall where they fucking re badge the back of the speakers, suckers say celestion vintage 30.

I've never heard the veterans though. I have heard the 70/80s (horrid) and the stock piece of shit blue voodoo cabs (also fucking horrid).

 

[drew_drummer]

If both cabs have same speakers and same dimensions but one is tighter it's down to build quality and materials. I think you could get your Crate tighter simply by opening it up and tightening all the screws inside it. Try it if you're interested.

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