What is the difference between the babbling mental patient who hallucinates voices and experiences which clearly are not real and the person standing in church claiming to hear voices or having feelings.... they are both hallucinations and when you believe them you are no longer SANE.
That's up to your concept of God. If you thinnk of God as an entity finite, has a physical shape (such as Jesus), then yes, you cannot prove his devine nature, but according to that concept. So before talking about God, you should define what God is or what he is not. EDIT: Sometimes you can't prove God's existence according to a concept A, but if you work according to a concept B, you might prove it.So why are people athiest?
Because it makes more sense to not believe in something that isn't proveable then to believe in something that could never be proven.
Does God exist? God is an Abstract Idea, and as such cannot exist.
Who knows? No one
Who Cares? No one should care
Why would it matter?
Because believing in something that has yet to be proven and lacks any real verifiable evidence causes your brain to be able to accept other nonsense and ultimately disrupts your logical processes because it is use to going to abstract Ideas for facts instead of things we can sense or record.
That's up to your concept of God. If you thinnk of God as an entity finite, has a physical shape (such as Jesus), then yes, you cannot prove his devine nature, but according to that concept. So before talking about God, you should define what God is or what he is not. EDIT: Sometimes you can't prove God's existence according to a concept A, but if you work according to a concept B, you might prove it.
How deep did you dig in this subject? Just curious.
Awesome.Deeper then you could imagine.
Science describes how things work through a specific approach. It doesn't tell you who is behind the whole network of causes, if it does exist.For example, a thunder storm here is just a thunderstorm because of the progress we have made in science being able to understand how all the difference aspects of weather that lead to thunderstorms. Now if you believed in Zeus, you would more then likely believe that he Was throwing the lightning bolts from Mount Olympus. Why bother finding out why the storm is when you can just believe Zeus did it and the argument is settled.... in their minds.
You can only feel that when you have certain beliefs. In other words, you feel in that particular way just because you hold certain set of beliefs that result that feeling? If so, i agree I'm not sure if that's what you meant lolIn the same train of thought, the feelings people get and call it the holy spirit or whatnot, if it were to happen in another context would cease to have the same label in your experience and as such would loose the hold on your brain that God exists which gives those chuch leaders their power.
That is up to the religion. Take two simple examples, when Europe was in its dark ages, North Africa and the middle east was in its golden age. And the reasons are the very same, religion. But two different religions.They purposely induce the state and feelings to hook you in.
The biggest scam ever created was religion, and we are all still paying for it, some are still buying it.
I want people to question their beliefs. Seriously consider what it is that they believe and even better, what reason they have to believe it. After intense introspection, you may begin to find that your beliefs in deities may be unfounded, influence on you while you were a still very impressionable child, and locking you into a substandard mindset about the world.
People should examine their or other's beliefs in a fairly. Without any prejudices or big heads. Put yourself in others' shoes in order to see things from their perspective to understand them.
Seriously?Religion =/= The existence of a godlike entity.
Yeah try searching youtube for the show Atheist Experience. You will learn more then I care to infer on this lame thread.Awesome.
No they don't. One says this is HOW IT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE CAN REPRODUCE IT, and the other says "I bet god made it like that so it'd be super cool and loud"Science describes how things work through a specific approach. It doesn't tell you who is behind the whole network of causes, if it does exist.
If an atheist and theist are trying to find the original causes of any given phenomena, they may go on the same way but the terminus will be probably different. For example, the atheist will tell you that updraughts and water droplets and ice particles rub against each other causing electricity.On the other hand, the theist may agree with the atheist's explanation but he will claims that it's just the way God makes things work. But, both explanations still beg the same question : "who made it?"
No, you feel things. It is your state of mind that connects the feelings to whatever fucked up thing is going on in your head.You can only feel that when you have certain beliefs. In other words, you feel in that particular way just because you hold certain set of beliefs that result that feeling? If so, i agree I'm not sure if that's what you meant lol
I don't know if this is somehow suppose to be an excuse for religions. They still are harmful. The Dark ages was caused by the church! IF the christians didn't burn so many libraries we would be so much more advanced! To hear about it makes me sick.That is up to the religion. Take two simple examples, when Europe was in its dark ages, North Africa and the middle east was in its golden age. And the reasons are the very same, religion. But two different religions.
I can easily model people. I tend to see subjects from both sides of the coin so I am well aware of what I am saying, and who I am saying it to.People should examine their or other's beliefs in a fairly. Without any prejudices or big heads. Put yourself in others' shoes in order to see things from their perspective to understand them.
Are you assuming that atheists are smarter than religious people?Yeah try searching youtube for the show Atheist Experience. You will learn more then I care to infer on this lame thread.
I think that Religious nuts hating Atheism is like retards hating smart people because they are smart. To everyone but the retard it all seems Inane and frivolous.
Great that you got the point here. I said it before but I will say it again, religious people can never represent religion 100%. Cause religion is often based on documents with a set of (social, moral, political..) rules that religious people usually fail to put into practice due to their greediness, personal or others' interest or others' pressure and so on.I don't know if this is somehow suppose to be an excuse for religions. They still are harmful. The Dark ages was caused by the church! IF the christians didn't burn so many libraries we would be so much more advanced! To hear about it makes me sick.
I'm not sure that I got your point here lol.If I met you I could really model you. You talk mostly in Kinesthetic (feelings based) person. Based on the words you use to describe things. If you are able to get that.
Seriously?
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No God created religion you are totally right!!!! OMG I can't believe I didn't see that before.....
It must just be the way God works ya know. I can't really say I understand much about the universe but I am so glad that god loves me. I know because I get that warm feeling in my chest when I think of HIM. Just like the first time it happened when I was at church and the preacher was very good. He really MADE ME BELIEVE in the power of the Lord Jesus CHRIST. I know that our Lord our Father has a mysterious way of working. It makes me sad when Gods plan is to give those closeset to us, those who are the most kind Cancer and takes them away to heaven so soon. I am just so Glad that I will meet up with them some day soon.[/sarcasm]
Get this. People are stupid. Get use to it. They don't know the answer to something so they say God did it. Well isnt' that convenient.
re·li·gionI very rarely meet happy athiests and you are no exception. I am sorry you have to carry this much bitterness around with you. I think it is amusing to continually focus on Catholicism (it's the easiest target) and ignore the dark ages satanism/demonology (voodoo, etc.) has kept the people who practice it in to this day. (Africa, South America, etc.
Organized religion through history has been nothing but man trying to put himself in the the place of a god and using a potentially holy text to do it. This does not mean there is not a godlike entity in existence that is about fed up with the mess man is making of his creation. Athiesm is a religion, it makes man god, but without any kind of text. But we can't actually create anything from nothing, so we are pretty shitty gods.
Oh and I am happy, for the most part. I just really really really hate religion. You could say I am a Religist. I truely believe (yes this is just a belief) that the would would be a better place if all religions where dismantled and destroyed.
Man is not god. Man is only an animal with higher states of reasoning. Some of our key abilites are being able to Hallucinate things for our survival.
Let me guess, evolution is wrong to you guys? The earth is really only 5000 years old right?
Are you assuming that atheists are smarter than religious people?
Great that you got the point here. I said it before but I will say it again, religious people can never represent religion 100%. Cause religion is often based on documents with a set of (social, moral, political..) rules that religious people usually fail to put into practice due to their greediness, personal or others' interest or others' pressure and so on.
So these documents are what should be examined. Cause the disciples are nothing but the effect of the religious rules plus their personal lives and other (maybe social, economic, political) circumstances.
I'm not sure that I got your point here lol.