Album for Album

what exactly is prog wanking??

It means that Mikael is steering the band more and more towards being a 70's prog rock cover band. Whether you look at the early Opeth (based mainly on Iron Maiden'ish twin guitar melodies) or the middle Opeth (MAYH up to BWP) their sound was defined by the atmosphere they managed to create. And a big part of the atmosphere came from their use of acoustics along with heavy guitars and the way in which they used to mix these together to create emotionally moving music (and I'm not talking about the standard heavy - mellow - heavy progressions, I'm talking about the actual overall sound they created).

All of the albums they have released since BWP lack this utterly. Damnation was obviously a one-off project and I know what Mikael tried to do, but come on. It is utterly unremarkable 70's prog worship and if you are interested in that kind of music you are better off listening to the artists that influenced him to make that album than you are listening to Damnation itself. Deliverance was a barren affair with not a single fully realized song on it but more a bunch of half-assed ideas thrown together. This was partially due to the incredible time pressure under which they had to create these albums (most of both albums was written in the studio while they were recording two albums for the time and money they would normally have for one). That doesn't change the fact that both albums are mediocre at best and lack all of the elements that made older Opeth albums interesting.

They redeemed themselves somewhat with Ghost Reveries where they atleast took some time to actually write and rehearse before entering the studio (and obviously not recording two albums at the same time helps). The album has its moments. But the folk influences that were an essential part of Opeth's sound have been entirely replaced with mellotron-laden prog noodling and Beach Boys style interludes, conjuring up the same prog rock vibe I mentioned earlier. Listen to the guitar sound on MAYH and compare it to GR. The vibe they are going for is completely different these days. And in doing so they completely drained the emotion and subtlety from their music and replaced it with the more overbearing pompous prog rock sound.

Mike is getting old, he has a family and is listening to "old man's rock" nowadays (as he put it). And it shows in the way he approaches writing music nowadays. Honestly I don't have high hopes of anything truly amazing coming from this band in the future.
 
Three? Come on, even I like Nightfall in Middle-Earth! :lol: Though I suppose my obsession with Tolkien at the time of discovery may have been a factor, but I still hold the album in high regard.

Yes. My two favourites are Nightfall and Battalions. But they are a fairly consistent band.

I agree with Cairath's spiel on Opeth. They were once good.
 
It means that Mikael is steering the band more and more towards being a 70's prog rock cover band. Whether you look at the early Opeth (based mainly on Iron Maiden'ish twin guitar melodies) or the middle Opeth (MAYH up to BWP) their sound was defined by the atmosphere they managed to create. And a big part of the atmosphere came from their use of acoustics along with heavy guitars and the way in which they used to mix these together to create emotionally moving music (and I'm not talking about the standard heavy - mellow - heavy progressions, I'm talking about the actual overall sound they created).

All of the albums they have released since BWP lack this utterly. Damnation was obviously a one-off project and I know what Mikael tried to do, but come on. It is utterly unremarkable 70's prog worship and if you are interested in that kind of music you are better off listening to the artists that influenced him to make that album than you are listening to Damnation itself. Deliverance was a barren affair with not a single fully realized song on it but more a bunch of half-assed ideas thrown together. This was partially due to the incredible time pressure under which they had to create these albums (most of both albums was written in the studio while they were recording two albums for the time and money they would normally have for one). That doesn't change the fact that both albums are mediocre at best and lack all of the elements that made older Opeth albums interesting.

They redeemed themselves somewhat with Ghost Reveries where they atleast took some time to actually write and rehearse before entering the studio (and obviously not recording two albums at the same time helps). The album has its moments. But the folk influences that were an essential part of Opeth's sound have been entirely replaced with mellotron-laden prog noodling and Beach Boys style interludes, conjuring up the same prog rock vibe I mentioned earlier. Listen to the guitar sound on MAYH and compare it to GR. The vibe they are going for is completely different these days. And in doing so they completely drained the emotion and subtlety from their music and replaced it with the more overbearing pompous prog rock sound.

Mike is getting old, he has a family and is listening to "old man's rock" nowadays (as he put it). And it shows in the way he approaches writing music nowadays. Honestly I don't have high hopes of anything truly amazing coming from this band in the future.

Ouch. Well said.
 
It means that Mikael is steering the band more and more towards being a 70's prog rock cover band. Whether you look at the early Opeth (based mainly on Iron Maiden'ish twin guitar melodies) or the middle Opeth (MAYH up to BWP) their sound was defined by the atmosphere they managed to create. And a big part of the atmosphere came from their use of acoustics along with heavy guitars and the way in which they used to mix these together to create emotionally moving music (and I'm not talking about the standard heavy - mellow - heavy progressions, I'm talking about the actual overall sound they created).

All of the albums they have released since BWP lack this utterly. Damnation was obviously a one-off project and I know what Mikael tried to do, but come on. It is utterly unremarkable 70's prog worship and if you are interested in that kind of music you are better off listening to the artists that influenced him to make that album than you are listening to Damnation itself. Deliverance was a barren affair with not a single fully realized song on it but more a bunch of half-assed ideas thrown together. This was partially due to the incredible time pressure under which they had to create these albums (most of both albums was written in the studio while they were recording two albums for the time and money they would normally have for one). That doesn't change the fact that both albums are mediocre at best and lack all of the elements that made older Opeth albums interesting.

They redeemed themselves somewhat with Ghost Reveries where they atleast took some time to actually write and rehearse before entering the studio (and obviously not recording two albums at the same time helps). The album has its moments. But the folk influences that were an essential part of Opeth's sound have been entirely replaced with mellotron-laden prog noodling and Beach Boys style interludes, conjuring up the same prog rock vibe I mentioned earlier. Listen to the guitar sound on MAYH and compare it to GR. The vibe they are going for is completely different these days. And in doing so they completely drained the emotion and subtlety from their music and replaced it with the more overbearing pompous prog rock sound.

Mike is getting old, he has a family and is listening to "old man's rock" nowadays (as he put it). And it shows in the way he approaches writing music nowadays. Honestly I don't have high hopes of anything truly amazing coming from this band in the future.

very interesting

My favorite album by far is blackwater park which is just phenomenal. With the exception of damnation, 2 of their last 3 albums were forgettable although still decent. I loved damnation however, I thought it was excellent 70s prog rock worship. I do find alot of truth in what you said, and I probably listen to more blackwater park era opeth than recent opeth. Those albums definately had more depth especially in terms of the melodies which are far more engaging

we'll see what the band comes up with next
 
It means that Mikael is steering the band more and more towards being a 70's prog rock cover band. Whether you look at the early Opeth (based mainly on Iron Maiden'ish twin guitar melodies) or the middle Opeth (MAYH up to BWP) their sound was defined by the atmosphere they managed to create. And a big part of the atmosphere came from their use of acoustics along with heavy guitars and the way in which they used to mix these together to create emotionally moving music (and I'm not talking about the standard heavy - mellow - heavy progressions, I'm talking about the actual overall sound they created).

All of the albums they have released since BWP lack this utterly. Damnation was obviously a one-off project and I know what Mikael tried to do, but come on. It is utterly unremarkable 70's prog worship and if you are interested in that kind of music you are better off listening to the artists that influenced him to make that album than you are listening to Damnation itself. Deliverance was a barren affair with not a single fully realized song on it but more a bunch of half-assed ideas thrown together. This was partially due to the incredible time pressure under which they had to create these albums (most of both albums was written in the studio while they were recording two albums for the time and money they would normally have for one). That doesn't change the fact that both albums are mediocre at best and lack all of the elements that made older Opeth albums interesting.

They redeemed themselves somewhat with Ghost Reveries where they atleast took some time to actually write and rehearse before entering the studio (and obviously not recording two albums at the same time helps). The album has its moments. But the folk influences that were an essential part of Opeth's sound have been entirely replaced with mellotron-laden prog noodling and Beach Boys style interludes, conjuring up the same prog rock vibe I mentioned earlier. Listen to the guitar sound on MAYH and compare it to GR. The vibe they are going for is completely different these days. And in doing so they completely drained the emotion and subtlety from their music and replaced it with the more overbearing pompous prog rock sound.

Mike is getting old, he has a family and is listening to "old man's rock" nowadays (as he put it). And it shows in the way he approaches writing music nowadays. Honestly I don't have high hopes of anything truly amazing coming from this band in the future.

Deliverance and damnation definitly weren't as good as their older stuff, but they needed to move in a different direction, just like orchid and MAYH are in 2 different directions. but mikael just made a mistake in choosing a direction to go in i guess, but i love GH and i think theyre next album will be a good one
 
Deliverance and damnation definitly weren't as good as their older stuff, but they needed to move in a different direction, just like orchid and MAYH are in 2 different directions. but mikael just made a mistake in choosing a direction to go in i guess, but i love GH and i think theyre next album will be a good one
Per Wilberg's introduction screwed things up.
 
1) Blind Guardian - Never put out a bad album. Their older thrashy stuff is decent and Twist in the Myth was great, despite what some may say.

2) Ayreon - Every single album has been good.

3) Iron Maiden - Even Virtual XI is a decent album, actually.

4) Opeth - As mentioned by many, already.

5) Grave Digger - I am not counting their days as Digger, but otherwise, they are almost perfect as far as releases are concerned.

6) Nightwish - Yeah, Yeah, bad taste, I know...but I like them nonetheless and they have been consistent for me.

That's about it. Dream Theater, Symphony X and Angra are honorable mentions, but I don't like DT's 'A Change of Seasons' and 'When Dream and Day unite'. And one of Angra's albums (Fireworks) was pretty average stuff. Sym X's first two albums also don't do much for me, but everything from Divine Wings... is awesome.
 
In boxing people say "pound for pound", as in "pound for pound he's the greatest boxer ever." Who is the best metal band ever album for album? This is meant to take creativity, longevity, and consistency into account. Have at!

Ah.. what I feel bands that are good in terms of creativity and consistency:

Bolt Thrower
Malevolent Creation
Morbid Angel
Obituary
Pantera
Sepultura (up to Chaos AD/Roots)
Slayer (up to Divine Intervention)
Decapitated
Entombed
 
Asphyx and Immortal. Both bands have a pretty decent amount of albums and all of them are good. Oh and has anyone mentioned Iron Maiden? sorry for being lazy.
 
Iron Maiden has released far too many mediocre/bad albums to fit the bill. If they had quit in 1988 though, absolutely.
 
It means that Mikael is steering the band more and more towards being a 70's prog rock cover band. Whether you look at the early Opeth (based mainly on Iron Maiden'ish twin guitar melodies) or the middle Opeth (MAYH up to BWP) their sound was defined by the atmosphere they managed to create. And a big part of the atmosphere came from their use of acoustics along with heavy guitars and the way in which they used to mix these together to create emotionally moving music (and I'm not talking about the standard heavy - mellow - heavy progressions, I'm talking about the actual overall sound they created).

All of the albums they have released since BWP lack this utterly. Damnation was obviously a one-off project and I know what Mikael tried to do, but come on. It is utterly unremarkable 70's prog worship and if you are interested in that kind of music you are better off listening to the artists that influenced him to make that album than you are listening to Damnation itself. Deliverance was a barren affair with not a single fully realized song on it but more a bunch of half-assed ideas thrown together. This was partially due to the incredible time pressure under which they had to create these albums (most of both albums was written in the studio while they were recording two albums for the time and money they would normally have for one). That doesn't change the fact that both albums are mediocre at best and lack all of the elements that made older Opeth albums interesting.

They redeemed themselves somewhat with Ghost Reveries where they atleast took some time to actually write and rehearse before entering the studio (and obviously not recording two albums at the same time helps). The album has its moments. But the folk influences that were an essential part of Opeth's sound have been entirely replaced with mellotron-laden prog noodling and Beach Boys style interludes, conjuring up the same prog rock vibe I mentioned earlier. Listen to the guitar sound on MAYH and compare it to GR. The vibe they are going for is completely different these days. And in doing so they completely drained the emotion and subtlety from their music and replaced it with the more overbearing pompous prog rock sound.

Mike is getting old, he has a family and is listening to "old man's rock" nowadays (as he put it). And it shows in the way he approaches writing music nowadays. Honestly I don't have high hopes of anything truly amazing coming from this band in the future.

GR has it's moments, IMO. Beneath the Mire is a great song and very relaxing, and is followed well by Atonement, and Ghost of Perdition and Grand Conjuration are amazing, HOWEVER, BP and earlier were better, I do have to agree with that.