Annihilator's st album getting a royal pasting

[Jasonic]

Other than their small base of fans, Annihilator has had no major influence on metal. The only people who say Annihilator are influences are bands on the same label, or confused pigeons. That doesn't mean that one can't enjoy their music greatly.

B - I - N - G - O, and BINGO was his name-o.

I am not discussing this anymore.

Annihilator has a VERY small fanbase, of which some here are a part of and that's great. Good that you all are defending them.

Though it comes off very foolish to think they had ANY influence to the metal scene whatsoever. They are a very insignificant band.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

B - I - N - G - O, and BINGO was his name-o.

I am not discussing this anymore.

Annihilator has a VERY small fanbase, of which some here are a part of and that's great. Good that you all are defending them.

Though it comes off very foolish to think they had ANY influence to the metal scene whatsoever. They are a very insignificant band.

Now I definitely know you're full of shit, glad you aren't discussing it anymore because you're pretty goddamn wrong.

 

[AngraRULES]

Wait a second, wait a second...

Though I understand Annihilator has a fanbase (not the smallest either, but not huge), to say that they're relevant in the metal scene may be a bit too much.

 

[dcowboys311]

Now I definitely know you're full of shit, glad you aren't discussing it anymore because you're pretty goddamn wrong.

what impact have they had on the metal scene aside from releasing a few cool albums?

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

what impact have they had on the metal scene aside from releasing a few cool albums?

You won't find many metal guitar player polls where Waters is not listed as one of the best in the business. Being a European festival circuit staple for many, many years also helps. The fact that Waters was asked to join Megadeth, the fact that he did join Savatage for a tour, but yet never leaves Annihilator because it's his baby and makes him plenty of money. The work he does in Annihilator allowed him to build Watersound Studios and not only produce all of the Annihilator albums since it being built, but also stuff from other bands as well.

 

[Jasonic]

You won't find many metal guitar player polls where Waters is not listed as one of the best in the business. Being a European festival circuit staple for many, many years also helps. The fact that Waters was asked to join Megadeth, the fact that he did join Savatage for a tour, but yet never leaves Annihilator because it's his baby and makes him plenty of money. The work he does in Annihilator allowed him to build Watersound Studios and not only produce all of the Annihilator albums since it being built, but also stuff from other bands as well.

I will just add one more thing.
None of the points you listed above speaks to Annihilator's relevance to the metal scene. It speaks to the fact that some guitarists like his work, and he worked with various bands. Have you honestly ever heard a band speak to them as a major influence? Have you ever heard them being discussed as even a top Canadian band? I would say Exciter, Razor, and Anvil had more relevance to thrash than Annihilator.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

I will just add one more thing.
None of the points you listed above speaks to Annihilator's relevance to the metal scene. It speaks to the fact that some guitarists like his work, and he worked with various bands. Have you honestly ever heard a band speak to them as a major influence? Have you ever heard them being discussed as even a top Canadian band? I would say Exciter, Razor, and Anvil had more relevance to thrash than Annihilator.

For every person you find that says that Exciter, Razor or Anvil (pre documentary) influenced them, I could almost guarantee you that I could find 2 people that would prefer or were influenced by Annihilator.

 

[VenomGA]

For every person you find that says that Exciter, Razor or Anvil (pre documentary) influenced them, I could almost guarantee you that I could find 2 people that would prefer or were influenced by Annihilator.

Sorry I have tons of Canadian friends from a Canadian based metal board who would disagree with you. Razor was far more influential than Annihilator.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Sorry I have tons of Canadian friends from a Canadian based metal board who would disagree with you. Razor was far more influential than Annihilator.

Ok, how about another Canadian based metal board, on the BWBK site that actually has a poll where people are asking who was the better and more influential band, Annihilator or Anthrax, and while Anthrax has pulled a little ahead now, it was very neck and neck between about 50 voters. Now I think we could both sit here and say with all honesty that Anthrax was more influential than Annihilator (although I think Annihilator is the BETTER band, not the more influential), but regardless of that fact, Anthrax wipes the floor with Anvil, Exciter, and Razor. As for the influence of Annihilator, it should also be said that Annihilator's first album didn't come out until 1989, as the thrash genre as well as most metal in general was starting to come off of the peak and start into a decline. Had metal not slowed down so much and grunge come on the scene, I think Annihilator would have been a lot more influential than they already are.

 

[Cheiron]

So if Annihilator had come out at a time that they would have been original, instead of as they were, highly derivative, they would have been more influential? Sure. I agree with you now. And that's no attack on Annihilator. They are a pretty good genre band. From what I've heard of them they don't transcend their genre at all.

 

[Jasonic]

Anthrax wipes the floor with Anvil, Exciter, and Razor.

Ok, now we are REALLY never going to agree, which is perfectly fine.

Though come on man.........

This is the year 2010. Don't you think anyone voting AGAINST Anthrax has a lot more to do with their overall douchebaggery as opposed to their musical ability or relevance?

Look man, you brought up TROUBLE before.
As much as I LOVE Trouble, their overall catalog is probably not as extremely relevant as some might claim. Sure, their first two are classics, but the rest would not be considered genre defining doom. That title would probably be split 50 / 50 between Saint Vitus and Candlemass.

I think you are letting your fanboyism disillusion you a bit in thinking how relevant they truly are.

This thread might be the most Annihilator has been discussed.....ever!

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

So if Annihilator had come out at a time that they would have been original, instead of as they were, highly derivative, they would have been more influential? Sure. I agree with you now. And that's no attack on Annihilator. They are a pretty good genre band. From what I've heard of them they don't transcend their genre at all.

They are doing something somewhat original, granted they are not completely reinventing the genre, by any means. Jeff does however utilizing a picking style that not many, if any other guitarists (that I am familiar with) use. I can immediately tell a new Annihilator song, even if I have never heard it before, and that is just by his style of playing alone.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Ok, now we are REALLY never going to agree, which is perfectly fine.

Though come on man.........

This is the year 2010. Don't you think anyone voting AGAINST Anthrax has a lot more to do with their overall douchebaggery as opposed to their musical ability or relevance?

Look man, you brought up TROUBLE before.
As much as I LOVE Trouble, their overall catalog is probably not as extremely relevant as some might claim. Sure, their first two are classics, but the rest would not be considered genre defining doom. That title would probably be split 50 / 50 between Saint Vitus and Candlemass.

I think you are letting your fanboyism disillusion you a bit in thinking how relevant they truly are.

This thread might be the most Annihilator has been discussed.....ever!

A little of the subject, we can get back to Annihilator in a minute, but as I am very familiar with Candlemass, I am however not very familiar with Saint Vitus. I've heard a song or two and I think I enjoyed it, but what would you suggest for someone who is only passively into doom, like Candlemass, Solitude Ateurnus, Krux, The Rapture (definitely not traditional doom but it depresses the hell out of me, haha), Memento Mori, My Dying Bride (again, not traditional, but very doomy to me), November's Doom, etc... I tried getting into the band Solstice, but I just couldn't do it, I hated that guy's vocals.

 

[nomisofsiman]

Okay, I'll put my two cents in here. I do like Annihilator. I think they're pretty damn good, but at the same time I wouldn't necessarily call them influential. The thing is that just because you are one of the best guitar players on the planet (which Waters is), doesn't make you or your band for that matter influential. As you said, Waters has a picking style that most people don't really use, well that to me says he isn't very influential. Sure, a lot of bands and fans alike think he's great, but overall the band I wouldn't say is influential. To be influential, you have to do something new and then there has to be a movement started where bands utilize it and refine it. Nothing like that happened due to what Annihilator and Jeff Waters has done.

I would also agree that due to the time they came out, they were pretty much screwed in terms of being influential. At the same time though, would Jeff have created Annihilator had it not been for the thrash bands that came before him? I'm not trying to diss Annihilator by any means as I've said I like them, but I think you have to separate a good band from an influential band.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

I would also agree that due to the time they came out, they were pretty much screwed in terms of being influential. At the same time though, would Jeff have created Annihilator had it not been for the thrash bands that came before him?

I agree with you here. This is kind of what I was trying to portray with what I said, but I think it came across a little better with how you said it. Waters created Annihilator because of Van Halen, Kiss, Slayer, (Metallica, somewhat), Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and AC/DC. So while, I wouldn't call Annihilator extremely influential, I almost completely believe that is due to the timing of the inception of the band, their getting signed to Roadracer (soon to be Roadrunner), and putting out their debut. I would however call Waters very influential to a lot of metal guitarists.

 

[VenomGA]

Ok, how about another Canadian based metal board, on the BWBK site that actually has a poll where people are asking who was the better and more influential band, Annihilator or Anthrax, and while Anthrax has pulled a little ahead now, it was very neck and neck between about 50 voters. Now I think we could both sit here and say with all honesty that Anthrax was more influential than Annihilator (although I think Annihilator is the BETTER band, not the more influential), but regardless of that fact, Anthrax wipes the floor with Anvil, Exciter, and Razor. As for the influence of Annihilator, it should also be said that Annihilator's first album didn't come out until 1989, as the thrash genre as well as most metal in general was starting to come off of the peak and start into a decline. Had metal not slowed down so much and grunge come on the scene, I think Annihilator would have been a lot more influential than they already are.

The Braveboard HATES Anthrax...known fact!!! So this really isn't surprising, put Razor up against Anthrax on that board and Razor would wipe the floor with them

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

The Braveboard HATES Anthrax...known fact!!! So this really isn't surprising, put Razor up against Anthrax on that board and Razor would wipe the floor with them

Ah, I haven't been posting there for all that long, haha, so I didn't realize that would have been a deciding factor.

 

[VenomGA]

Ah, I haven't been posting there for all that long, haha, so I didn't realize that would have been a deciding factor.

I am the reigning posting king there, but have basically quit that board because there are too many new idiots there

 

[Jasonic]

Metalmilitia - Looks like Pate beat me to it, so we can discuss doom there.

Yeah, it's cool man. We just will have to agree to disagree on Annihilator.

I certainly respect your support of the band tho, so HAILS!

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Metalmilitia - Looks like Pate beat me to it, so we can discuss doom there.

Yeah, it's cool man. We just will have to agree to disagree on Annihilator.

I certainly respect your support of the band tho, so HAILS!

Yea... the amount of money and time I have put into my Annihilator collection is pretty ridiculous. I am definitely high in the fanboy stratosphere.