Are the democrats in America truly progressive any more?

[Dick Sirloin]

I was watching Bill Maher on Larry King Live last night and he brought up a good point: that for the last two elections, democrats have tried to pull to the middle; Hilliary Clinton will probably do the same thing. However, it doesn't seem to fool the Right, and it alienates the true Left, many of whom would rather vote for a third party.

In short: do you think it will ever be Left v. Right again in our elections? (instead of Right v. pseudo-right?) And more importantly, if an actual progressive democrat wins, will marijuana get legalized?

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Left vs. right is fucking gay.

The only way to get anything done is to be a moderate.

 

[Erik]

The only way to get anything done is GLOBAL. THERMONUCLEAR. WAR.

NO FUTURE FOR DEMOCRACY.

 

[Dick Sirloin]

I agree that having two decided parties is gay, considering hardly any stances are original. There should still be an opposition of semi-opposites every election, but not already having pre-decided stances on issues. Like, candidates who are actuall opinionated and not following the whims of their party.

 

[Erik]

Like, candidates who are actuall opinionated

I so god damn need to run for president

 

[Dick Sirloin]

I so god damn need to run for president

Hahaha, the No Life Till Leather party.

 

[Demonspell]

I agree that having two decided parties is gay, considering hardly any stances are original. There should still be an opposition of semi-opposites every election, but not already having pre-decided stances on issues. Like, candidates who are actuall opinionated and not following the whims of their party.

At the very least, we need to stop thinking of people whose opinions fall outside the platform of the dominant parties as radicals and/or lunatics whom nobody but activists and conspiracy theorists could identify with...and the Democrats better not blow it by nominating someone with an ambiguous stance on Iraq again...

 

[Erik]

Dude this is really funny BTW in Sweden you can vote for any party as write-in votes, I guess it's the same in the USA, but anyway I saw this list for the election of 1994:

http://www.flashback.se/magazine/val.shtml

Now this isn't so funny if you don't know Swedish but there is some complete comedy gold in there.

FAR ÅT HELVETE ALLA LÖGNAKTIGA POLITIKERDJÄVLARPARTIET: 1 (THE GO TO HELL ALL LYING POLITICIAN FUCKS PARTY)
HEAVY METAL IN THE NIGHT PARTIET: 1 (THE HEAVY METAL IN THE NIGHT PARTY)
HATA SVARTSKALLE-PARTIET: 1 (THE HATE my pals PARTY)
KEEF "THE HUMAN RIFF" RICHARDS ÖL OCH BRASS PARTI: 1 (KEEF "THE HUMAN RIFF" RICHARDS' BEER AND POT PARTY)
LÖJLIGHETSPARTIET: 1 (SILLINESS PARTY)
ANARKO-OCH KAPITALISTISKA STATSHATARPARTIET: 1 (THE ANARCHO-CAPITALIST STATE HATE PARTY)
BEAVIS OCH BUTTHEADPARTIET: 1
MUMMINTROLLEN: 1 (MOOMIN TROLLS)
TA VARA PÅ MILJÖN. TA HAND OM VARANDRA KRAM: 1 (TAKE CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES. HUG!)

...and it goes on and on

The funniest thing is that some government officials sat and typed up all these sillinesses to go on the official lists

I'm so god damn voting for "NO FUTURE FOR DEMOCRACY PARTY" next time

 

[Dick Sirloin]

KEEF "THE HUMAN RIFF" RICHARDS' BEER AND POT PARTY


x a million.

This is sort of unrelated, but at NC State University (NOT where I go, I go to UNC), a goddamn pirate won student body president. And when my dad went here, they had write-in votes and some guy's dog won SBP. I'm not kidding. Then, in 2000 we elected him president...

 

[General Zod]

Both parties move towards the middle come election time, especially in presedential elections. This will never change, as most people are moderate and don't vote along party lines 100% of the time.

As you your initial question... no. Democrats are not progressive. At best, they are moderate liberals.

Zod

 

[MajestikMøøse]

I've completely lost all faith in any democratic system. People are not fit to govern themselves this way, or on this scale.

 

[Dick Sirloin]

I know that the parties will gravitate to the center come election time. But my point is... are we actually getting a choice? Eventually the two sides will be almost identical. And that is NOT a good thing.

 

[Erik]

"Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent dictator, that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people. Best dictatorship would be one where lots of heads would roll and government would prevent any economical growth."

-- Pentti Linkola

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

At the very least, we need to stop thinking of people whose opinions fall outside the platform of the dominant parties as radicals and/or lunatics whom nobody but activists and conspiracy theorists could identify with...and the Democrats better not blow it by nominating someone with an ambiguous stance on Iraq again...

I don't see why we'd stop thinking that way, when it's 100% the truth.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

The Libertarian Party owns you, btw.

 

[Erik]

I don't see why we'd stop thinking that way, when it's 100% the truth.

what's wrong with you

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

what's wrong with you

hmmm, where to begin...

Actually, what do you mean? :Spin:

 

[NAD]

when will you people learn. democracy DOESN'T WORK.

 

[Dick Sirloin]

We could at least be getting choices. Like, a true progressive has NO CHANCE at winning. "Left v. Right" would be so much better than "Moderate v. Right" every time.

 

[NAD]

i vote for whacky 3rd party candidates usually. fight the good fight. the losing one.