Att: Brits - Opinions of Tony Blair

Wandrail

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I'm just kind of curious here, although I expect a number of people are either not into current events or politics beyond just acting rebellious or watching the daily show (no offense), what do the abundance of UK dwelling people here think of Tony Blair, and specifically his much touted speech before US Congress? I imagine alot of you who do keep up with politics are probably in the left leaning minority, much of blac k metal and death metal being very anti-anything-traditional, pro-socialism (even national socialism) but that's okay, like I said, I'm just curious because no one has brought this big event up and there are some brits here.

I myself am very conservative, extremely so when it comes to social issues and government. Tony Blair is a brilliant orator, but being in Parliament you have to be, so I wasn't surprised to hear how moving his speech was. However, I am someone who finds his labor party to be repugnant in its very socialist leanings, and I found myself not only agreeing with Blair's take on the war in Iraq and against terror at large, but being thoroughly convinced of his sincerity. I especially appreciated his comparison of the US to the British Empire, stating that no empire lasts forever, nor even very long, and that what is left behind is most important. What he was saying is something our current overly-political US figures would never say, as they love to keep our public complacent and naive. He was saying that civilization is on a razors edge, and the western world had better wake up and realize it. I had a vision of the germanic hordes lined up along the danube, with the roman army on the other side, the eve of the fall of rome and the beginning of the dark ages. People need to realize how close we are to that, and that if America fails at this, or becomes weakened by internal and external politics, that the islamic warlords and china will have no more reservations about taking what they want, european left wing politics have so emasculated their once great military power, so they really pose no threat to something like China - scary stuff. I for one think people on this side of the pond got the message, though it needs to be pounded home much harder for reality to set in. Thats my take.
 
I'm not a Brit, but I wouldn't want to be in Blair's shoes right now. I've heard he's getting seriously reamed by public opinion and everything else right now.
Oh well, I suppose that's life... merp.
 
Not mad keen on him or New Labour. He's moving a little too much towards the right and shouldn't have got caught up in the Iraq war.

He is a good orator and I wouldn't mind if he got another term depending on how he handles things from now on

Also it is strange how you admire his sincerity when many here feel he spins everything and you can't trust what he says
 
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I think he's playing the role of Bush's puppet wonderfully. Unfortunately that isn't going to save his job though I am pleased to report.

I think the incessant scaremongering with no credible evidence to back it up is getting old.
 
I've got to admit that he's eloquent.
But a liar nontheless.

He's everything that our own P.M. aspires to (except the labour part).
 
Still, it's like trying to pick the difference between a $2 whore a $20 whore, and a $200 whore really.
 
Narg said:
Also it is strange how you admire his sincerity when many here feel he spins everything and you can't trust what he says

Wow, its pretty odd to think someone whose party touts alot of socialist values can be seen as right wing, but maybe that's how much people on the other side of the pond are used to bigger government.

About him spinning everything, etc, its hilarious that so few people worldwide had any problem with Bill Clinton when he is, in FACT (not in FANTASY like GW) an enormous liar and spinster who hardly did anything except for political expediency. I'm no expert on British politics, seeing as I don't live there, but considering the predictably hot water that Blair's decision got him in, how do you reconcile thinking of it as a purely political move with the fact that Blair is quite a good politician, and any GOOD politician would not sacrifice his career for something he doesn't believe in that he KNOWS would hurt his support base? It just flies in the face of logic to me.

The responses are pretty much like I expected, and I dare say I'm curious as to what manner of government the lot of you look on favorably, if any. Seriously, especially among this sort of counter-culture, which represents a very marginal ratio of the public, there are alot of people I talk to who feel very strongly about these sorts of things, but their stances on issues are usually just empty skepticism, bordering on nihilism. Everyone's a liar, everyone has money except me, its no use anyway, etc etc. Not everyone is like that, I'm not making any assumptions, but its what I hear alot. Now, seeing as so many people have this hopelessly skeptical outlook, I'm wondering what answers they have? What's the solution? Or are people just happy to complain? I of course would likely disagree with any solution they would have, but it would at least be nice to hear one for a change.
 
Also, as far as the Bush lying thing, there's been nothing to show any sort of intentional "lie" anywhere at any time. How can people who are so skeptical and aware of spin not see the blatant partisan politics of the upcoming presidential election? The left wing of this country is so STARVED for SOMETHING to grab hold of and make an issue against one of the most popular pesidents in history, that they'll grab at anything, including 16 innocuous words that are truthful to this day as far the original source is concerned. When the source says they stick to the story, how do you point at the next man down the line and call him a liar for echoing it? While I don't understand the anti-war sentiment (its really a luxury for nations who have no idea what war is) I do see within it a willingness to eschew logic in the face of anything that supports the agenda. Truthful or not, anything that harms Bush is good and helpful, besides, everyone on capitol hill is a liar anyway, right?
 
Yes, Bush hasn't been proven to be an intentional liar, but Clinton had, yet of course, you'd never see a liberal acknowledge that... he looked too pretty in his Presidential suit. :puke:
 
Why is it that everytime a republican feels threatened they have to bring Clinton into the argument, as if that excuses the piss poor president in place right now?

It's like "Bush lied us into war but Clinton lied about having his dick sucked!". Wtf?

Also why did you ask a question about Blair and then start lecturing about how great Bush supposedly is? You seem very insecure, and rightly so I suppose if you are a blind Bush supporter.
 
Since you brought up Clinton though, his approval rating was 66% even during the impeachment circus (which wasted millions of dollars of tax payers money). The approval rating of Bush dropped to 61% last month, and is on a sharp decline. His high was 72% during the war when everything looked peachy (as opposed to impeachmenty as it looks now). Since the current adminstration and their media lackeys seem to think that pressuring people into thinking that supporting the government blindly is "patriotic" I would take the wartime figure with a pinch of salt.
 
At least down under, the left have moved more and more to the right, giving the right little room to move. Our most recent labour federal labour government wanted to privatise everything, our state labour government is privatising as well.

Our current government (the Liberal party - who are conservative), have raised personal taxes by 60% - income tax reduction, with a GST imposed. They're spending more on education - but only in the (exclusive) private school sector. Those schools are getting more government money per student that the government schools, AND charging fees of $10k per year. This mob are the ones with ever more gun legislation, when their own statistics show that the laws have no effect on gun crime.

I think that the problem stems from party politics. Politicians are forced to vote on party lines for everythign down here.

The only politician that I have any respect for down here is Peter Andren, our local federal member, who is an independent. He looks at the issues, then votes for what he beleives will best suit his constituents.

He pressured the government to introduce CDMA mobile phones in the bush, when the government closed down the analogue system, leaving country people high and dry.

He closed some loopholes in politicians superannuation, bringing it more into line with the retirement of real people.

I disagree with a lot of what he says and does, but he is willing to answer my queries with polite and timely letters..........That is what will get him re-elected next time, and however long he stands.

He is representing the people who elected him, not some "right/left" ideology.
 
Wandrail said:
I'm curious as to what manner of government the lot of you look on favorably, if any.

I see myself much as a left-winger, although I don't like to get myself chained to certain parties or anything. I'm also kind of appalled by the fact that current biggest left-wing party in Finland is actually leaning very much to the right.

I've always wondered that do americans actually see democratic party as left-wing, because it's very much right wing party in my eyes. Actually both of the big parties in america look pretty much like corporate puppets. In my books, that kind of undermines the whole idea of democracy, when the parties do what the money wants, not what the people want or what's best for the country (unless it's the same thing, which is rarely the case). Of course I'm no expert on US politics, but this is just an observation from little leftist country in northern Europe. :D
 
Well, I'm a Brit and was rather optimistic when they got rid of the Tories back in 97. However, he seems to have done fuck all with his opportunities since then.

The hospitals are still a mess, as is public transport and pensions have now been royally screwed.

As for schools: considering this was a party who's priorities were "education, education, education" things are even worse than before with teacher redundancies and a fucked up university fees system.

I think he's finally realising how much public opinion is against him over the "war on terror" and hopefully that'll make him concentrate more on domestic affairs.