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no, but i read a pretty extensive profile in last week's New Yorker. I'm a little uneasy about him after that.
i read the new yorker thing too and in fact if i can find the fact checking site my boss was on, it cited 14 inaccuracies in their article. the GQ one was pretty interesting. also i read this horrible article about dean it was really weird, in the nation.
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it seems to me the reason to pick him over Dean isn't because he's a better candidate, but because he has a better chance of beating Bush due to his talismanic military uniform. (that's the almost universal attitude, i think)
but the article really goes into detail about how hated he is among the military establishment and other realms. he was FIRED from his position as SACEUR. how much extra support can he drum up?
interestingly, his father was a Russian Jew, he was raised Southern Baptist, and then converted to Catholicism. from what i've seen, no one's made a big deal about either the Catholic or Jewish things at ALL (I didn't even know about them), so that speaks well of the country, I think.
but the article really goes into detail about how hated he is among the military establishment and other realms. he was FIRED from his position as SACEUR. how much extra support can he drum up?
interestingly, his father was a Russian Jew, he was raised Southern Baptist, and then converted to Catholicism. from what i've seen, no one's made a big deal about either the Catholic or Jewish things at ALL (I didn't even know about them), so that speaks well of the country, I think.
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is the GQ article worth reading or does it repeat the NY stuff?
why was the dean article horrible?
why was the dean article horrible?
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that clip where the fox news asshole tried to make clark look like a stooge of the clintons was classic.
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the press really seems to have it in for Dean, especially when you compare his coverage to that of other candidates.
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you really are pushing that clip, lizard! (i watched it when you posted it--it was funny. and Clinton signed the order firing Clark, so har har)
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I just think it's absolutely fucking ridiculous that nominees from the Northeast can't win an election unless they kowtow to the South or choose Southern running mates. It's just incredibly immature and LAME.
Which is why I think every Southern state should have their electoral votes halved until they can stop being such regionalistic/nationalistic babies about the whole thing. Fuck you, John Edwards.
Which is why I think every Southern state should have their electoral votes halved until they can stop being such regionalistic/nationalistic babies about the whole thing. Fuck you, John Edwards.
lizard
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I can't help it, it gave me so much satisfaction to see someone shout down a smug, supercilious fox type, the very network which uses the o'reilly method of shouting down dissenting opinions...
assholes.
assholes.
lizard
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ref your regional post, its been like that for ever. that's why kennedy picked johnson as his running mate.
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Exactly. That's actually what got me thinking about it--I watched a two-part Kennedy thing on the History Channel last week. The same thing also made me realise what a liability Kennedy's Catholicism was and how that might apply--or not apply--to Clark nowadays.
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basically, the South has been full of nationalistic crybabies since the Civil War or even before.
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the GQ article is worth reading just because it gives some decent personal background on him. the military albiet silent, hates dean more than anything. trust me. but they are more vocal about clark because he's one of them but doesnt go along with them.
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well, the NY article, I think, is supposed to be flattering-ish, but it shows some real mistakes Clark made. For example, he was the one who advised threatening Milosevic with force if he didn't withdraw from Kosovo. "How do you know he'll cave?" they asked. "Because I know Milosevic. He'll cave." Clark answers confidently. "What if he doesn't?" "He will."
Of course, Milosevic did not cave, and in order to maintain NATO's credibility, they had to start bombing Serbia. Meanwhile, Clark was drawing up plans for a ground invasion and trying to coax everyone to go along with them, but Clinton and his generals were like JESUS CHRIST NO WAY. Clark kept pushing for all-out war and was even restrained from mentioning ground troops during meetings with other NATO types so as not to scare them.
Then he got fired.
Of course, Milosevic did not cave, and in order to maintain NATO's credibility, they had to start bombing Serbia. Meanwhile, Clark was drawing up plans for a ground invasion and trying to coax everyone to go along with them, but Clinton and his generals were like JESUS CHRIST NO WAY. Clark kept pushing for all-out war and was even restrained from mentioning ground troops during meetings with other NATO types so as not to scare them.
Then he got fired.
i dont know anything about it and wouldnt pretend to. remember, i'm just voting for who my mother tells me to vote for. and if he's still in the race i'm sure it'll be clark she recommends. since they like, know him.
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yeah, my dad keeps bothering me to vote for--and like--lieberman because he knows him and says he's a really good guy. but...i mean...lieberman sucks.
