Band Fight!

[Noumenon]

Well, not really, but an argument.

We're experiencing some sound problems in our rehearsal room. The singer want us to turn down the guitars+bass. If we do it just a little bit the drums take over the whole place and the drummer can't hear the guitars. If the vox are turned up there is feedback.

Any ideas on what might help?

 

[Lopes]

Did you ring out the room? How do you have the vocals Eq'd? Where are things positioned? What's the room made of?

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

We've been facing the same problem for a while...1st, try different amp placements and obviously make sure that the vocal mic isn't facing into the PA....2nd, get an EQ with a lot of bands and try to eliminate the offending vocal frequencies.

A lot of the time the bass player will have crappy tone and he'll turn up too loud. So then guitarists need to turn up to hear themselves hence Vox get drowned out....make sure bass isnt' too loud.

 

[Noumenon]

Ring out the room?
EQ: straight up on everything
We talked today about taking the time to find a spot where the rest of the band has a valley in the frequency range and boost the vox there.

The PA just consist of cheap behringer power amp and multieffect. and two _large_ EV-speakers.

And as far as the bass goes, yes it sucks, have spent alot of hours trying to dial in a good basstone without any good results. Always that problem with bass The problem is still there even when the bass player isn't there.

 

[Fragle]

fuck the singer. if the drummer can't hear the guitars you might as well stop rehearsing....i don't see the point in rehearsing with vocals anways.
as far as bass goes, don't worry, as long as you don't have an excellent rehearsal space and/or a decent PA system not hearing the bass is pretty much normal

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

fuck the singer. ....i don't see the point in rehearsing with vocals anways.

Not sure I agree with that but if it works for you...

 

[Lord Lurion]

Does the singer use earplugs? If he doesn't, then tell him to do so. He'll sudenly find that he hears everything better (especially himself). That's what we do anyway.

 

[Noumenon]

we all use earplugs. if we didn't we'd be deaf

 

[~BURNY~]

Does he covers the backside of the mic grill with the hand? If so, tell him to not do this because it changes the mic polar pattern into an omni, causing feedback.

 

[Noumenon]

define the backside

0 <--there?
| <--here?
|

 

[Lopes]

A quick guerilla way of ringing out the room is to place the mic where the singer would stand, turn up the volume on the PA until it starts to feedback, then pull down the offending frequencies so that the feedback stops or lessens.

Another quick fix is to try cutting everything below 2-300 Hz and above 10-11 kHz, it won't sound fantastic, but it'll allow you to get a little more volume without feedback.

 

[Noumenon]

We'll try that one next rehearsal

 

[~BURNY~]

Just make sure that he handle the mic without touching the grill.
0<---Don't touch it, don't put it in the mouth.

 

[Noumenon]

ok.

thanx alot for all the tips!

 

[Lopes]

0<---Don't touch it, don't put it in the mouth.

If the singer were a woman, that's something that I would never say.

 

[~BURNY~]

Hahaha!

 

[STINNETT]

Do you have the guitar cabs aimed at the drummer? ...perhaps too obvious

Is the singer the only thing going thru the PA?

 

[Nitronium Blood]

Well, not really, but an argument.

We're experiencing some sound problems in our rehearsal room. The singer want us to turn down the guitars+bass. If we do it just a little bit the drums take over the whole place and the drummer can't hear the guitars. If the vox are turned up there is feedback.

Any ideas on what might help?

Kill your singer.

 

[NathanSoulfracture]

Try angling your Guitar amps against a wall, it will eliminate some of the low-end from the Guitars and help the Bass cut through a bit better without having to turn up too loud, or try puttin the Guitar amps on crates.

 

[Noumenon]

The problem isn't the bass. The problem is vocals vs drums+guitar. Vocals aren't heard due to volume. Turning down the guitars makes the drums take over the whole place and the drummer can't hear nothing but his drums and vox. The same for us guitarists.