Before the Music Dies...

[Anvil]

Amazing new documentary based on today's hits, singles, and stars of music. How you don't even need to sing, know what you're doing, or even show up, and you're already the biggest, newest popstar.

Before the Music Dies


and for a sneak peak of one of the scenes:
Create a Pop Star - ebaumsworld.com

 

[bball_1523]

why do they always say music is dead or rock is dead or rap is dead or whatever? I don't get it. There's so much music out there that is not on radio or mtv that is GREAT! and so much music that is unsigned and that is still good and even music you make yourself.

I just don't understand. Music has always been alive for me.

anyways, I'll have to check the film out

 

[AsModEe]

that's because people saying this never took the time to take a look at the underground scene.

 

[MajestikMøøse]

nah, with the advent of the internet, the underground no longer exists.

at this point it's just IGNORANCE.

 

[AsModEe]

my definition of underground: doesn't air on radio or on mtv, unless at a very late hour.

but yeah they are also ignorant...

 

[RedKef]

This movie explains exactly why bands like Nevermore aren't popular. They're not pretty. There's no longer room for talent in the music industry because the merge of music and television is progressing at an enormous rate, as is the ability to doctor a band's sound to the point where they sound somewhat good.
Bands like my chemical romance etc. crush the bands who truly have something to present by appealing to their fans visually instead of musically.

And what can we do? Nothing. It's going to happen because of the steady decay of intelligence and moral value that is rooted in the basis of american society.

We're screwed.

 

[derek]

I think that movie panders to some golden age when music mattered, when indeed music has been commericialised for decades and some golden hey-day never actually existed.

We have as many artists saying as many important things as they did in the 60s and 70s and we have as many people appreciating it.

The problem lies in the fact that this generation contains the highest percentage of hollow and dumb people the world has ever seen. Never mind making a movie about music, because I think the premise, while interesting, is flawed. Make a movie about the hollow nature of this generation as a whole.

 

[El Stormo]

'cos this song ain't over 'til the FAT LADY DIES!

 

[MajestikMøøse]

I think that movie panders to some golden age when music mattered, when indeed music has been commericialised for decades and some golden hey-day never actually existed.

We have as many artists saying as many important things as they did in the 60s and 70s and we have as many people appreciating it.

The problem lies in the fact that this generation contains the highest percentage of hollow and dumb people the world has ever seen. Never mind making a movie about music, because I think the premise, while interesting, is flawed. Make a movie about the hollow nature of this generation as a whole.

Thank you for articulating what I wanted to say, but was too lazy to do so (mainly on account of how ironic it is to start discussing about how stupid people are these days, on the freaking internet).

 

[derek]

 

[Anvil]

Of course we all know, The internet makes everyone seem smart. :Smug:

 

[derek]

Except, I actually am.

Bazooka!

 

[zmetallica]

Reminds me of this special i saw on PBS (and shown in a music business class) "the way the music died" the big difference is that it compared an "indie" pop artist (sarah hudson) with a mainstream rock band (velvet revolver) and how they shaped their sound etc.

The Way the Music Died - thats the link.

I even see some of the same people speakin their mind here. what i don't understand is how ignorant they are. they ARE the big guys, the major label artists. how can they see anything except from a mainstream perspective. I mean thats good and all, but we must keep that in mind. most people signed to a major wish they weren't. thats what it comes down to. the ones who are, just don't care about music or know how to work the labels to their advantage.

Redkef is completely wrong too, nevermore are much popular than you think. Nevermore gets play on MTV2 and radio stations I'm sure. they aren't mainstream like Britney Spears, but that doesn't make them unpopular. besides they have over 1.2million plays and 36k listeners on last.fm. britney spears (by comparison) only has 2.6million plays and 155k listeners. That difference isn't even that big. especially cause the people who listen to her aren't listening nearly as much as the nevermore fans (meaning they probably don't like her as much/like one song). Ashley Simpson is 1.7million plays and 83k listeners. Nevermore is not far behind either. On the other hand you take MCR and you find nearly 10million plays and 230k listeners. Really shows how most people hate pop now. I'd say thats a big improvement from pop music.

Also I feel music is continuing to grow true appreciation. more than it ever has in the past. I truly don't know many people who love pop artists anymore. the people who listen and buy that stuff are the ones that listen to whatever they can cause they don't have time to seek out music. this new generation is full of music seekers. More so than previous generations. there has been and always will be people who love bubblegum pop music in whatever form it is in. Most of the time they know that the singer sucks and can't sing and its all fake, but they still enjoy the final product. And asking these people if they knew someone like Bob Dylan isn't a great test cause it is way before their time and completely not their style of music. Then again they may know The Beatles.

Also there's more to this world than a few cities in the US where "pop" music sells. I'd like to see them goto europe and show the amounts of metal heads in the world lol.

(sorry for the long ass post)

 

[Anvil]

Maybe its because the internet gives people the chance to seek out that "underground" music.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Bazooka!

?

 

[derek]

?

What are these!? Some sort of gum!?

 

[RodneyXM]

Redkef is completely wrong too, nevermore are much popular than you think. Nevermore gets play on MTV2 and radio stations I'm sure. they aren't mainstream like Britney Spears, but that doesn't make them unpopular. besides they have over 1.2million plays and 36k listeners on last.fm. britney spears (by comparison) only has 2.6million plays and 155k listeners. That difference isn't even that big. especially cause the people who listen to her aren't listening nearly as much as the nevermore fans (meaning they probably don't like her as much/like one song). Ashley Simpson is 1.7million plays and 83k listeners. Nevermore is not far behind either. On the other hand you take MCR and you find nearly 10million plays and 230k listeners. Really shows how most people hate pop now. I'd say thats a big improvement from pop music.

you did raise some valid points in your post, but i disagree with using last.fm as reference for the ratio of listeners of britney spears to nevermore. Chances are that more last.fm users are more serious music fans, and your average aged 13-25 girl whos music interest is "r&b, dance music and whatevers on the radio lol " isnt going to bother with a last.fm profile, while your more serious metal fan whos keen to find more good music is going to bother. I'm sure the real ratio of BS:nevermore fans is much more in britneys favour.

Also I feel music is continuing to grow true appreciation. more than it ever has in the past. I truly don't know many people who love pop artists anymore.

maybe true appreciation is growing, but i wouldnt say the decline of pop artists means people are appreciating better music...the trend in popular music now is bands who are generally bland, inoffense and unoriginal (most of the emo/indie/poppunk this is really popular lately). really not a huge step up from britney spears, jessica simpsons etc imo

 

[derek]

I think good music is transcendent. One of the great things about people like Boy Dylan is that they remain relevant. I'm a personal fan of Warren Zevon over Dylan, but it's hard to imagine something either of them wrote in the 70s meaning anything less than it did then.

Rodney makes valid points regarding Last.Fm. I've reflected on its usership before, and I don't think the comparison with Britney Spears is a sound one.

It's always difficult to have a real, workable understanding of the state of music. I think a Status Quo has been in effect for decades - that is to say, as many people buy hollow music now as did forty years ago.

I'm not keen on generalisations about music. I find laments to the past superficial and useless, unless Billy Hicks spouts them from his golden repertoire. I dunno about everyone else, but as much as I feel saddened that so many kids expose themselves to music without the least bit of content (and even that is arguable, to an extent) I know that I can and do find new artists each and every year that are still working and still saying something important.

It's enough for me.

 

[zmetallica]

you did raise some valid points in your post, but i disagree with using last.fm as reference for the ratio of listeners of britney spears to nevermore. Chances are that more last.fm users are more serious music fans, and your average aged 13-25 girl whos music interest is "r&b, dance music and whatevers on the radio lol " isnt going to bother with a last.fm profile, while your more serious metal fan whos keen to find more good music is going to bother. I'm sure the real ratio of BS:nevermore fans is much more in britneys favour.

maybe true appreciation is growing, but i wouldnt say the decline of pop artists means people are appreciating better music...the trend in popular music now is bands who are generally bland, inoffense and unoriginal (most of the emo/indie/poppunk this is really popular lately). really not a huge step up from britney spears, jessica simpsons etc imo

I do understand that the user base of last.fm isn't 100% accurate, but it does look at a good amount of people. second i have a sister who is 16 and knows people younger than her and most of them don't like pop. these days its emo/indie/hardcore/rap. its like the new pop. thats the point i was trying to make. I think that someone liking a band that is actually writing their own material is better than someone that relies on a producer to create everything for them.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

What are these!? Some sort of gum!?

The gum of my youth.