BIG BIG sound at home!

yes,

just a good old fashioned POD XT

but thats not all there is to it of course, you like the sounds?
 
sure

guitars i use the pod XT, dial in a good tone then play one take and pan hard left.. then another take and pan hard right... then double them up and pan the other direction 80% so you have 4 guitar tracks

then play in the bass (direct in box... i recommend sansamp) and double that up and spread by about 10-15% left and right

drums i wont even begin unless u have any specific questions, i could write a million page essay on this

vocals i will be using a Numuan TLM193 mic

plugins i use are waves C4, sonic maximizer, waves L2, and some others i cant remember

stuff you do to the master track is very important to BIG up your sound without it peaking, for this i use sonic maximizer, waves C4, and most importantly waves L2 limiter

if you guys want to know anything more let me know :)

myspace adds and whoring would be appreciated if you like the music

-Andy
www.myspace.com/xerath
 
Ya they don't sound panned at all...they seem a little off center but no separation. The synth sounds panned hard left and right though...

Sounds pretty good though...If you get things widened out a bit I think it could be great.
 
lepersmeesa said:
Guitars don't sound like they are panned at all. Or is that just me?
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Definitely not panned.

andychaos said:
guitars...play one take and pan hard left.. then another take and pan hard right...then double them up and pan the other direction 80% so you have 4 guitar tracks
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Judging by the extremely mono sounding guitars, I am interpreting your guitar explanation as this:

andychaos said:
guitars...play one take and pan hard left.. then another take and pan hard right... then copy and paste and pan the other direction 80% so you have 4 guitar tracks
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Copying and pasting a track and panning one hard left and one hard right is the exact same as leaving one track panned center. If you want 4 guitar tracks, you have to play it four times! I bet if you muted the copied and pasted ones, your guitars would all of a sudden sound really wide...quieter in volume, but wide.

Doubling/panning the bass and not doubling/panning the guitars I think is less than optimal, especially for this type of music. I actually can't think of any situation where it WOULD be optimal. The bass guitar also sounds really boomy in the 600-800Hz range, kind of weird and hollow sounding, so play around with the EQ a little more. I honestly would suggest throwing away one of the doubles, too...I think it's only going to cause weird phase-y issues and take away from the overall mix.

The drums sound great, but I would say that they are definitely programmed. They sound too perfect rhythmically, and that high hat sounds kind of fake.

Once you clean up the bass and guitar issues, I think I'll like this mix a lot more. Nice work.
 
guys about panning...

i pan one hard left and hard right, then double them up and pan the opposite direction by 80%

so you have 2 takes coming out of each speaker, this is how it WAS done so if it sounds mono i must be tighter than a ducks arse

as for drums i'm glad you asked whether it was real or DFH, this means i know how to use DFH well :)


aaron, i appreciate your advice, i had already noted it was quite boomy on other speakers and yes i may play another 2 takes however i do quite like the guitar sound as is

theres no processing on the guitars apart from additional EQ some sonic max and a TINY bit of waves C4

drums were triggered and run through DFH
 
Hmmm, perhaps I got you wrong, but as I understood it you played the guitars twice (one 100%L/R and one 80%R/L)
that explain the mono-sound....
in that case you could as well have just panned both of them to the center
but perhaps I (we) just got that wrong...to get it clearer: how many times did you PLAY the same thing?
if the answer is not "4" then it's as we said and you could just have panned them to the center.
here's something for you to try:
invert the phase on both of the guitars on one of the sides (the 80% and the 100%)...then switch your output to mono.....do you now hear any guitars at all?

don't wanna sound like a dick (and I don't judge anything since I've not even listened to the file so far), but I always think it's "dangerous" to rave about how good ones own mix is and then admit that you haven't even miced the amps, the drums or whatever....cause that basically means you're using someone elses guitarsounds (pod) and drumrecordings (DFH)....
and micing and mixing reals drums and amps etc is where the talent of producers are...not just matching levels of processed samples and amp-simulations.

plus on the sonic-maximizer: the BBE is a tool to fix things that should never have to be used in mastering...anytime you need to use the BBE on the 2bus you have done something wrong in the mix in the first place....


sorry if that did sound harsh, but I'm only judging by what (and how) you wrote, not by your file (will listen to that later).
 
Yeah dude, your guitar panning technique is, quite frankly, retarded, and comes out sounding mono.

By copying and pasting to the opposite side of the stereo spectrum, you're canceling them both out to center.

You don't hear two takes out of each speaker... you hear one take panned about 20% right and one at 20% left.

A, don't copy and paste. I know you got the "copy and paste and pan the 2nd one's in a bit" from Acle... and I still dunno why he does that. All it does is make them louder.

B, never, ever pan the same performance across different sides of the stereo field.
 
LSD-Studio said:
I always think it's "dangerous" to rave about how good ones own mix is and then admit that you haven't even miced the amps, the drums or whatever....cause that basically means you're using someone elses guitarsounds (pod) and drumrecordings (DFH)....
and micing and mixing reals drums and amps etc is where the talent of producers are...not just matching levels of processed samples and amp-simulations.
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Well said dude! I entirely understand the appeal of using DFH and a Line6, but there's a huge line drawn between people who are content keeping their recordings at that level, and people who work hard to create their own killer sounds that begin in front of microphones. andychaos, I am not casting you into the category of those who don't care to learn real engineering, but I agree with LSD-Studio that you should be careful about taking too much credit for a certain sound or mix that largely sounds the way it does because of someone else's work (the people who developed the POD sounds, the people who recorded the DFH samples, etc).

I really want to hear your mix with guitars that don't cancel to the center!
 
andychaos said:
...play one take and pan hard left.. then another take and pan hard right... then double them up and pan the other direction 80% so you have 4 guitar tracks
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my ears do not agree with what you are telling... somewhere along the way those guitar(s) are collapsing to mono or near mono.
 
cheers for the critique guys i take it all on board,

recording real drums is something i do intend to do on completion of the CD i am working on, however i do not think that getting DFH to sound like that is in ANY way easy and DOES require a good amount of know-how

its raw drum sounds not polished sounds

as for the POD, i have a numuann TLM193 mic and soon getting an engl powerball, a winning combo! the pod is my lazy shortcut in the meantime

LSD-Studio it would be cool if you did check out the songs

as for everyone else, (aaron, dss3) etc... do you have mixes i can check out to see if it is worth me changing my guitar recording technique?

How do you think i should pan my 2 takes of guitar? (which are mono)

I will try this out and post the result

Something to bear in mind though, i have only been producing since january despite my previous band having no faith in me as a potential producer. I still have alot to learn but i dont think its wrong i'm proud of my achievments so far
 
Just do this. Unmute the track which is the same on either side. So you are left with the two original takes. Pan one far left, one far right, and see how the guitars open up. If you want to do that double copying thing, just pan them the same side and it will increase in volume, but at least you will have the guitars actually panned.

Never have I heard a guitar player, play so tight that he is actually a machine and makes the guitar tracks appear in the centre. Your production isn't bad by any means, nor the songs. But when you post something in this section of the forum, expect people to pick flaws with what you have done. Its the whole point!
 
thats cool

i have muted the doubled up guitars and turned the other 2 up panned 50% left and right

it sounds good :) i'm applying it to all the songs now and will upload to myspace in about 10 mins
 
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