Career defining albums

Peoples' definition of the phrase "career defining" is clearly different... so this thread will go nowhere fast.

I chose Awake as it's an album that has a nice mixture of the styles that DT have used from WDADU all the way to TOT. Sure, at the time they had no idea they'd go so heavy in the future, but we're talking in retrospect here. So for my argument, I define "career defining" as an album that sums up the essence of a band's sound in only one album. I don't think career defining means their breakout release.

As far as I'm concerned... career defining IS career representing. When you try to sum up (or define) DT's sound, you'd have to include old school prog metal from WDADU and IAW, the heaviness found in Awake, SFAM and TOT, and the melodic element most prominent on FII and SDOIT. Now if you look at any of those albums individually:

WDADU - for starters, there's a different smeggin' singer. also, it has ZERO in common with FII, SDOIT and TOT.
IAW - close, but lacks in the heaviness.
Awake - has the melodic songs, has the completely sick instrumental, has the heaviness, a fair slice of old-school feel... it's got the lot.
FII - apart from LITS and to a lesser extent Trial of Tears, the "progressive metal" element is completely missing. has the sick instrumental and the melodic songs, but also lacks heaviness. also Derek is the most unique DT keyboardist as far as sound goes, so he sticks out like a sore thumb a bit.
SFAM - this is easily in second place... it goes Awake, SFAM, daylight, IAW, more daylight, everything else. SFAM has it all, but isn't really as old-school as Awake, so it has less in common with WDADU.
SDOIT - see FII. has heaviness, but not nearly enough.
TOT - way too heavy and less progressive.

So I come to the conclusion that the album that define's DT sound over the length of their career is Awake.

But if we're talking about the band's breakout album, there's no doubt it's Images and Words. But if that's the angle we're talking about then it would be obvious for most bands.
 
to me 'career defining' is mixing it with the big boys professionally on a larger scale than ever before to. setting the scene. the album that puts you on the map.
 
Exactly. It's the album that made the band, and that the band is most well-known for. The turning point. The one that confirmed that they could make a career out of this whole silly bidness.

Therefore it would be Images & Words. Definitely wouldn't be Awake - there are too many misses on that album for my liking. Used to be my favourite DT album but I can't listen to much of it anymore.
 
Warrant's best album by far is Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinkin Rich I reckon, way better than Dog Eat Dog. But I think Dog Eat Dog is probably a *little* better than Cherry Pie.

Cherry Pie certainly is their career defining album though.
 
LOL Trixx I think weve had this debate before. Dirty Rotten is personally my least fave of the Warrant albums. Well, maybe just behind Belly to Belly which I find hard to think of as Warrant. So I guess we agree to disagree again on the best Warrant album. Dog Eat Dog sits highly with me.
 
I agree with Spiff on this one. My immediate thought about DT's career defining album was Images and Words. As he said, it had Pull Me Under... their breakthrough single which got the radio play and MTV play. It opened the door for them. It has Pull Me Under, Metropolis Pt 1, Learning To Live, Take the Time... which aer all regulars in their live setlist... Infact, PMU and Metropolis are probably the 2 songs that they have played the most from their entire catalogue. Those 2 songs are the bands smoke on the water/Black Night.... Their War Pigs/Paranoid.... Their Stairway/Black Dog.... Thier Run to the Hills/Number of the Beast... Their Enter Sandman/One... Their Rock Lobster/Love Shack :lol:

It defined the 'classic' Dream Theater sound which formed the foundation of their image/fanbase/sound etc. If not for the sucess of Images and Words, we may not of even got Awake or the subsequent albums....

Metropolis Pt 1 also spawned one of their other most popular releases being Scenes from a memory.
 
Speaking of Idol (tenuous link there), HMV has a display for Idol albums and ALSO albums of bands that have been covered on Idol. I think that's fantastic, if some loser kid hears Chanel singing "A Case of You" on that show the other night and then sees Joni Mitchell's "Blue" in the Idol display for $10 (like I did today - shoulda bought it) then that's great.

You never hear about that aspect of it, the fact that little punk kids are being exposed to some great music while watching what detractors say is a mindless, vacuous talent show.
 
Metallica's breakout album was Black... but would anyone call that their career-defining album?

I can see it from your point of view, and if we are talking about the breakout album, there's absolutely no doubt that IAW catapulted them to where they are today. I just define the phrase differently to you I spose.
 
Silverchair is shithouse. All there albums are rubbish no matter how career defining they are.