Condenser mics on guitars...

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Anybody a fan of condensers on guitars? What's your mic and favorite technique?

I've used condensers before to good effect on clean tones...but I've never liked them on high gain too much. I'm think I'm going to try it again, any tips or recommendations?
 
I have tried them before but usually just end up throwing the track away when it comes to mixing. Not to say that you obviously can't get some amazing tracks with them, but they have just never worked well for me on high gain guitar.
 
I recently started liking a 414 on gain guitars. Done a couple projects with them. Though I can't find anything I don't like a 414 on...

I use them in connection with a 421 or 57, or whatever dynamic I use. On the current project I am mixing, I roll off everything on the 414 track at like 1-2k, so it is only putting out high freq stuff, then blend it in.

I'll put some samples up on here when it's decent enough to show.
 
at 4050 is nice on guitars, as is the rode nt1!! i use them in conjunction with a 57 normally, for me condensors are a bit more rock than metal
 
greyskull said:
at 4050 is nice on guitars, as is the rode nt1!! i use them in conjunction with a 57 normally, for me condensors are a bit more rock than metal
Same shit here. The 4050 is a pretty rad mic. It's usually a blend with the two 57s. It's my favorite mic right now. Really clean mic. Awesome on acoustic! Can't say enough about the 4050.
 
Wasn't pre-POD Mushuggah with a Condenser? I've tried it but it wasn't too succesful, not to say I've given up but it's definatly harder the with a 57 or i5 or whatever.
 
Yep, Meshuggah's albums before POD were done with Rectos and a Neumann TLM series mic. Very tight sound. I've done a few projects with my TLM103 on guitars, it comes out with a bit more life than your regular 'ol dynamic mic, or at least thats the sound it gets for me. I like them more just because they are smoother and have a more true sound to what you have it pointed at. The SM57 is not a flat response mic by any means. Condensors, depending on the quality, are pretty damn flat in their response. I like that a lot. But that's just me :)

~006
 
Genius Gone Insane said:
INAB If I'm hurried and doing only 2 rhythm guitar tracks, I'll use 2 mics, one 57 and one condenser. It gives me a lot of flexibility during mixdown--I'll usually tweak the condenser tracks a lot.

same sorta thing here although i go pretty nuts, normally i use 4 mics

57 straight and off axis (you know the sort) with a 4050 and a royer 121 as a room mic, the blend of those 4 is phenomenal especially considering they're all going through a Tg2
 
Sorry if its going a bit off topic, but has anyone ever A/B'd the Audio Technica 4033 / 4040 / 4050? and if so which one is best overall? Because im currently looking to buy a pair of one of these mic's.

Cheers
Dan
 
U87's are probably the most widely used condensers for guitars. A lot of the old school guys set 'em back a couple of feet from the front of the amp. You can blend that with a close-miked 57 for a pretty cool sound, too. My old buddy who produced Psychotic Waltz several times used to use like three 451's on one cab. He used condensers for everything - including drums.
 
DanAbela said:
Sorry if its going a bit off topic, but has anyone ever A/B'd the Audio Technica 4033 / 4040 / 4050? and if so which one is best overall? Because im currently looking to buy a pair of one of these mic's.

Cheers
Dan

4050 hands down.
 
006 said:
Yep, Meshuggah's albums before POD were done with Rectos and a Neumann TLM series mic. Very tight sound. I've done a few projects with my TLM103 on guitars, it comes out with a bit more life than your regular 'ol dynamic mic, or at least thats the sound it gets for me. I like them more just because they are smoother and have a more true sound to what you have it pointed at. The SM57 is not a flat response mic by any means. Condensors, depending on the quality, are pretty damn flat in their response. I like that a lot. But that's just me :)

~006

Yeah, Chaosphere sounds a lot like a condenser to me. The tone on that album is so weirdly awesome....if that makes any sense. Completely unique.
 
Chaosphere always stood out to me - it sounded massive, but not in the usual low-heavy "let's pretend bass doesn't exist" way. I've never figured out how to describe it too well, but it seems like (through big speakers, not headphones) while you 'feel' Heartwork and Black Earth like a sledgehammer to the chest, you 'feel' Chaosphere like a chainsaw grinding off the top of your skull off one millimeter at a time. Anyone have a better-sounding way of saying this?

Jeff
 
I think Chaosphere is the result of some very good sonic interplay between the bass guitar and rhythm guitars. They sort of complete each other. The bass has a high-end element that's up there with the guitars and they fill each other up.

Chaosphere definitely has one of my favourite rhythm sounds of all time.

It's in no small part due to the mic either. That thing sounds like it scoops the sound. Coupled with the gt-75 speakers and a rectifier I can totally see how such a monstrous sound could have come about.
 
JBroll said:
Chaosphere always stood out to me - it sounded massive, but not in the usual low-heavy "let's pretend bass doesn't exist" way. I've never figured out how to describe it too well, but it seems like (through big speakers, not headphones) while you 'feel' Heartwork and Black Earth like a sledgehammer to the chest, you 'feel' Chaosphere like a chainsaw grinding off the top of your skull off one millimeter at a time. Anyone have a better-sounding way of saying this?

Jeff
Actually I think that's pretty damn accurate :lol:
 
I think that Chaosphere sounds like shit. Play that record in a real recording studio on NS-10's and you will very shortly discover what "ear fatigue" really is.

DEI "destroys", if you will, every other Meshuggah record by a mile.
 
Maybe ear fatigue is part of what makes Chaosphere Chaosphere.

It's certainly not conventional, and it's not cute fuzzy bunnies hugging each other and singing Raffi songs, but it's part of the impact. I think that there's a very good reason why classical music is played in auditoriums with comfortable chairs lined up in rows, and why metal concerts have pits and people ramming into each other like pissed off rhinos. When I go to a metal show, I know that there's going to be a crowd that wants blood and by the time I'm out I'll be bruised, exhausted, often bleeding, and otherwise completely wrecked, and that's part of what makes that show for me. I'll be too tired to move the next day, and I'll be black and blue for a week, and I won't be talking right for several weeks after that, which is definitely not something that's always desirable but does usually add to the value for me just because of the way metal hits me and the place it's held since the moment I got into it. I don't think Chaosphere is supposed to be easy to listen to, and I don't think Meshuggah's music in general is supposed to sound at all like anything else. You shouldn't expect poppy catchy nonsense from a song called New Millenium Cyanide Christ - a lot of music's meaning, for me, at least, is often called imagery or deeper meaning or all sorts of other nonsense, and Meshuggah's mechanical brutality says more about humanity than a lot of the more 'human' and 'musical' stuff. This is why I enjoy the songs instead of just looking for what I find everywhere else - they have a different place entirely. I don't see why they should be held to the same standards as other music in one area - here, production and tone - and expected to break the mold in everything else. If anyone does, I'd like to know.

Jeff