Country anyone?

[Wolff]

I like Johnnie Cash (a boy named sue). the fact that danzig is a fan also plays a part, as I'm danzig-crazy.

Live at San Quentin is a must for any music aficionado.

Other than that, country sucks.

 

[Obyeybyeogone]

That british flag guy
We get lots of people with rebel flags, it's really annoying. Especially the people who have rebel flags instead of American flags, show your national pride, not your rebel against America pride. In my computer art class he wrote a bunch of emotions on the board and we had to draw something portraying an emotion, and about 1/3 of my class drew confederate flags to portray pride *sighs*. I have no accent, I am from Kansas City and I moved to Florida when I was ten, I don't say "ya'll" hehe.

 

[Opet]

Because that would be wrong.......?

 

[Wolff]

Originally posted by Oyo
That british flag guy
We get lots of people with rebel flags, it's really annoying. Especially the people who have rebel flags instead of American flags, show your national pride, not your rebel against America pride. In my computer art class he wrote a bunch of emotions on the board and we had to draw something portraying an emotion, and about 1/3 of my class drew confederate flags to portray pride *sighs*. I have no accent, I am from Kansas City and I moved to Florida when I was ten, I don't say "ya'll" hehe.

The southern flag stands for state's rights (not civil war, racism et al)... so I can see why it would show pride. Obviously that's going to change post Sept 11 and all. No problem with the Southern flag. Hell, I'm not even from this country.

 

[Obyeybyeogone]

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The southern flag stands for state's rights (not civil war, racism et al)... so I can see why it would show pride. Obviously that's going to change post Sept 11 and all. No problem with the Southern flag. Hell, I'm not even from this country.
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I didn't know that
I always thought of it representing slavery and such, bloops.

 

[Wolff]

Originally posted by Oyo
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The southern flag stands for state's rights (not civil war, racism et al)... so I can see why it would show pride. Obviously that's going to change post Sept 11 and all. No problem with the Southern flag. Hell, I'm not even from this country.
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I didn't know that
I always thought of it representing slavery and such, bloops.

No it doesn't. Any good history will show you that. Nowadays it's gotten bad connotations, hence your misperception.

 

[BillowOfZeal]

Fuck it here goes....(curling into ball getting ready for beating) I say ya'll, I love the south ( i am not a red neck) I like Johhny Cash, Hank Williams SR., Dwight Yokem, Hank 3, the Nickel Creek videos i have seen are good, some Bluegrass, i love visiting the Honkey Tonks here and getting drunk in full metal head attire the people in those places are actually nice and very cool at times.
let me see.....hmm......double FUCK it i think Garth Brooks has some very well written songs. I use to love the hell out of Alabama----"play me some mountain music, like grandma and grandpa used to play" , i think Alison Kraus and the Union Station Band are good, her voice is extremly beautiful and i am sure there is more so let the beating begin I am prepared and don't even say i have been brainwashed by this town
HEEEEEEE HAAAAAWWWW
jAY (honkey tonk metal head)

 

[Brutalizer]

Country???
Gwwaaaaaaahh!!!

I'm outta here!!

 

[Lina]

The Stars and Bars represent states' rights?! Yes, the states' right TO HAVE SLAVES!

I've heard this a trillion times before, but it's so obviously bullshit. The South is built on racism, and not much has changed in 100 years, I discovered when I visited a friend in South Carolina. It was shocking. Southern hospitality, my ass -- only if you're a white, straight, male Christian.

And do you honestly think that the rebel flag stands for states' rights NOW? Have you ever met someone who proudly waves a rebel flag who ISN'T racist? Maybe even not an overt racist, but that flag has come to have a definite meaning in this country, and anyone who would fly it anyway is obviously not ashamed of being thought a racist.

I think many southerners fly it without thinking about what it means to the rest of the country, though. The same way that people put a sticker from their university on their car -- southern teenage boys put rebel flags on theirs just because it's what everybody else does. They don't realize how it looks from the outside. I mean, how many times has Bush rambled on about the virtues of West Texas? Yuck. To me, West Texas is breeding ground for ignorant fucks like him.

So, no doubt these teenage boys in the South might try to say it's not a racist symbol, but just ask any black person.

 

[E V I L]

What's more offensive the proud display of a flag that has accrued an awful history of slavery and the insistence to exercise slavery, or the people today who would wave it out of "southern pride" ignoring (irresponsibly) these precise histories that their precious flag brings with it?

Fuck your meaningless pride. Show some respect! (and unity and sensibility etc etc. )

 

[Evisceratrix]

The South is built on racism, and not much has changed in 100 years, I discovered when I visited a friend in South Carolina. It was shocking. Southern hospitality, my ass -- only if you're a white, straight, male Christian.

the entire united states was built on racism and enslavement. and IMO its still built on enslavement... we all love going to wal mart or wherever and buying sweat shop made cheap labor shit. and where in the US is anyone really 'hospitable' to homosexual people? i read not to long ago that some 18 year old kid in kansas got a jail sentence for 17 years for giving a 15 year old guy a consensual blow job, where as a straight kid would get 1 year for the same thing!#$?#@ not to mention it was at some bording school for developmentally disabled kids-oh heres a link to the article: its INSANE .

im not trying to defend the south! im just bitching about america...as for people with rebel flags flying around, like i said in my previous post-theyre idiots. but thats supposedly one of the nice thing about america, that they "have the freedom to do it."

now wheres my freedom to go buy some beer, and my freedom to smoke some fucking grass!

 

[Wolff]

Originally posted by Lina
The Stars and Bars represent states' rights?! Yes, the states' right TO HAVE SLAVES!

I've heard this a trillion times before, but it's so obviously bullshit. The South is built on racism, and not much has changed in 100 years, I discovered when I visited a friend in South Carolina. It was shocking. Southern hospitality, my ass -- only if you're a white, straight, male Christian.

And do you honestly think that the rebel flag stands for states' rights NOW? Have you ever met someone who proudly waves a rebel flag who ISN'T racist? Maybe even not an overt racist, but that flag has come to have a definite meaning in this country, and anyone who would fly it anyway is obviously not ashamed of being thought a racist.

I think many southerners fly it without thinking about what it means to the rest of the country, though. The same way that people put a sticker from their university on their car -- southern teenage boys put rebel flags on theirs just because it's what everybody else does. They don't realize how it looks from the outside. I mean, how many times has Bush rambled on about the virtues of West Texas? Yuck. To me, West Texas is breeding ground for ignorant fucks like him.

So, no doubt these teenage boys in the South might try to say it's not a racist symbol, but just ask any black person.

Lina,

I absolutely believe that the battle flag - which is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy- stands for states' rights, limited government and a region's history, traditions etc. The critique that "the flag is hateful" is impossible to limit. Once you agree that the flag is evil, then everything has to go, including songs, literature, statues, constitutions, and anything else that reminds anyone of South’s past. This approach ends in completely robbing a state and a region of its history and meaning.

Did the Southern Cross' (the flag featureing the cross of St. Andrew St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland, and is commonly called the "Southern Cross.") associations with the KKK ruin its status as a symbol of rebellion against tyranny? To fall for that argument is to allow the Klan to have control over what symbols we accept or reject for ourselves. If KKK claims to love motherhood and apple pie, is that an argument against them.

And what about the claim that the battle flag, symbolizes slavery? It’s true that slavery existed in the old South after having originated in the old North that flew the Stars and Stripes. When the Stars and Stripes fly, people don’t think "slave trade!"; they think freedom. So it is with many Southerners and the battle flag. If we were to scrap all symbols that were somehow linked with human-rights violations, there would be very few that remain.

Anyways, the flag means different things to different people, and to me it is just a matter of freedom of speech.

The Southern Cross

 

[MetalManCPA]

The flag as a symbol is interpreted many different ways. I look at the confederate flag, and don't like what it stands for - remember, this is MY perception.

In this day and age, outward symbolism, ones right for freedom of speech, etc, and how you portray yourself to the world can be a very dangerous thing.

Most of the people in this world are really naive to the bigger picture - they will look at something (like the flag), make their determination of its meaning, and then act on it - sometimes, in a bad and viloent way. People don't take time to think, to understand othetrs viewpoints, and try to reason things out.

This whole new war we're in - I hate Bin-Laden and the oppression that occurs in that part of the world. But a smidge of his message I can understand - the "freedoms" of the western world are dangerous in its own right - look at us. Greed, people kill others daily for their "beliefs" of western civilization. Our way has it's faults, and Bin_laden's type will take those negatives, and make it the poster-child for his war. When I put my flag on display ofate 09/11, I had a reason - I did it as a symbol to stand behind the country I live in, that I was indeed proud to be American, and think this is the best place for me to be. But I also know that others look at totally different. That's why people burn flags - for their view on its symbolism.

This world gets more complicated every day, and things that had one meaning now seem to have several.

Oh, wasn't this a thread about country music? Well then, I don't listen to it, so I guess I have nothing to say.

 

[Opet]

Freedom Shmeedom!

I think the only things that the word FREEDOM need be associated with are animals in the wild. They’re the only things I believe that are truly free. Humans will never be free. You can’t live on this planet and be free! It’s just a mindset...you have to be part of it...call it what you want.

thats supposedly one of the nice things about america, that they “have the freedom to do it” Now wheres my freedom to go buy some beer, and my freedom to smoke some fucking grass! -Evisceratrix

Right!?!? Where’s the freedom? “The land of the FREEEEE!” PFFT!!! Like I said, freedom shmeedom.

“Ripped from my embrace. Melinda reflected in shafts.”

 

[Lina]

Wolff, I'm not suggesting the flag be outlawed! My point is that today it represents racism, and anyone who proudly waves it is either racist or so oblivious that he doesn't realize what an insult it is to most people in this country. Either way, not too respectable.

And Evisceratrix, the North doesn't always go on and on about "Northern Hospitality." I'm not saying the North is discrimination-free -- hell, Wisconsin has the biggest KKK chapter of any state. I've just never understood how the idea of Southern Hospitality has managed to exist, when the most egregious civil rights violations in this country happen more in the South than in the North.

Now I'm rambling...
When I visited my old roommate in South Carolina, sure, they were perfectly nice to me, but they didn't know the name of their servant's children -- even though they were the same age as my roommate, had grown up in the same small town, and my roommate was practically raised by this servant. The racial lines that still exist down there are so shocking. All the white kids in town were sent to private school so they wouldn't have to associate with blacks. All the blacks worked for white families or in the fields -- labor patterns not much different from 100 years ago. The black side of town (and yes, the city was even divided by traintracks) consisted of shacks. I didn't know shacks like these still existed in this country outside of appalachia. I mean, tin roofs, curtains for doors, rotting wooden slats -- unbelievable. Across the tracks, the houses were practically mansions. I was just so stunned to see that the circumstances in the South were even worse than my stereotypes! Maybe this only applies to South Carolina though, that's the only Southern place I've seen.

 

[Wolff]

Originally posted by Lina
Wolff, I'm not suggesting the flag be outlawed! My point is that today it represents racism, and anyone who proudly waves it is either racist or so oblivious that he doesn't realize what an insult it is to most people in this country. Either way, not too respectable.

The southern cross may represent racism TODAY to many people, but so fucking what? I can claim that the US flag represents genocide against native americans... or that the union jack represents the destruction of aboriginal cultures in australia (which has a union jack emblem in its flag!!!), or that the german flag is offensive to [insert ANY nation from europe here]... and so on ad infinitum. You can't throw your national symbols just because it is associated with something bad. Furthermore, you can't claim that someone waving the southern cross is either a racist or oblivious... The flag represents different things to different peepz, let's just leave at that.

And Evisceratrix, the North doesn't always go on and on about "Northern Hospitality." I'm not saying the North is discrimination-free -- hell, Wisconsin has the biggest KKK chapter of any state. I've just never understood how the idea of Southern Hospitality has managed to exist, when the most egregious civil rights violations in this country happen more in the South than in the North.

Hospitality has nothing to do with civil rights violations. You know Afghanistan is considered a very hospitable country....

 

[Opet]

When I visited my old roommate in South Carolina...they didn't know the name of their servant's children -- even though they were the same age as my roommate, had grown up in the same small town, and my roommate was practically raised by this servant. -Lina

All I can think of is "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Say what you will but that is FUCKING FOUL. I can't stand this behavior. Like you're so much better than this person because of what they do. I know there's probably some twisted "code" servants go by, BUT THEY'RE PEOPLE TOO!!!! Now, the odds of this not happening in the North... it has I'm sure but why do I get the feeling that it stopped happening long before it did in the South?

You know Afghanistan is considered a very hospitable country. -Wolff STILL?!

Ooooooooooooh. That one stunk. Sorry. I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[Wolff]

 

[Evisceratrix]

Originally posted by Lina
And Evisceratrix, the North doesn't always go on and on about "Northern Hospitality."

hey! nowadays neither does the south! that southern hospitality thing is yesterdays news! in mainstream rap today its called the 'dirty south.' everyone goes on and on about that instead. so see, people have seen the light. theyre telling it like it is now.


i think it just depends on who you talk to. polite people and assholes are everywhere...
racisim always sucks, thats just the fact of the matter. and because of the undeniable inescapable past, your absolutely right, it occurs often in the south. i do what i can to fight it when i see it....like ive said three times now, i agree its idiotic to go flying the rebel flag-but i can hardly stop anyone from doing that.

I didn't know shacks like these still existed in this country outside of appalachia. I mean, tin roofs, curtains for doors, rotting wooden slats -- unbelievable. Across the tracks, the houses were practically mansions. I was just so stunned to see that the circumstances in the South were even worse than my stereotypes! Maybe this only applies to South Carolina though, that's the only Southern place I've seen.

i see at as a good thing that impoverished people here in appalachia- of which the majority are actually white- at least have shacks, as opposed to just living on the streets like so many of the poor in bigger cities must.

sigh...people have a lot of misconceptions about this region. its only like two points above the national poverty level now...but also above the national level is the high school graduation rate....its gotten better here than it used to be. i think its sadly overlooked that environmentally its really such a beautiful place. a few weeks ago i went out in the woods and hiked to this overlook and sat in awe of how goddamn beautiful the mountains are this time of year. moved me to tears. my mum has a site bookmarked that has some great pictures. if your bored or curious you can see them
here .

haha you have to overlook the "when God passionately paints the leaves with more colors than you have on your monitor" shit.

 

[Lina]

Evisceratrix,

You mentioned before that you think of Tennessee as being a part of appalachia, not the south -- that's actually how I think of it too. So don't feel you have to be the representative from the south.

And I apologize if my remark about the shacks in appalachia offended you in any way. I'm actually quite familiar with the area and know its pluses too. You're right, it's breathtakingly gorgeous, especially at this time of year. I have some family and friends in west virginia who live way up in the mountains, and every time I'm there I ponder moving. (and then I wake up and realize I wouldn't last a second there. )