1) Are you a real Jew, or are you an atheist Jew who just calls himself a Jew?
2)Do you respect the beliefs of Christians? And how far do you personally think they deviate from standard Jewish belief?
Norsemaiden, obviously I agree that there are relatively many powerful and influencial Jewish people in the western world, and in the US in particular, and that they have a certain agenda which includes improving the relations of the western countries with Israel. Calling that a conspiracy of any sort is a vast exaggeration.
If many Jewish people tend to be influential, it is because they worked hard and got to where they are, what they choose to do with their influence is completely up to them. I honestly don't see the problem with that.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110903.htmlGerman Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits
Expected that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025
Illdian, surely Judaism has an ethos completely at odds with that of Christianity in many major aspects. For example, while Xtianity says that we must give away our possessions, not love money and not plan for the future - Judaism sensibly advocates that it is a good thing to plan and build up power and wealth. In fact the more Christians can be encouraged in their giving away, the more Jews may benefit from the taking. As I understand it if a gentile slaps the face of a Jew, he slaps the face of God, and there is certainly no turning of the other cheek. Instead there is a policy of inherited guilt for a large number of generations - and reperations will be sought. (Which is why Germans will never be forgiven and Israel must rejoice in this triumph:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110903.html
I know you were not aiming this question at me but I figured Id throw in my 2 cents on this1) Are you a real Jew, or are you an atheist Jew who just calls himself a Jew?
2)Do you respect the beliefs of Christians? And how far do you personally think they deviate from standard Jewish belief?
Looks like this is just one big monotheistic family then. I too dont really notice any factual evidence in the real world of tensions between the majority of Christians and Jews, I personally know several priests that go out of their way to invite rabbis and and imams to our Catholic church in a cause to create a more ecumenical environment.
Sometimes i think suggesting that there is a Jewish conspiracy is just creating a mountain out of a mole hill for the sake of creating bitterness.
-how is a racist and violent movement against minorities a legitimate reaction to a skepticism of the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust? "You lied to me, therefore im going to burn your house down?" Is this the response of a reasonable person? At least mainstream faiths have some general moral and rational consistency, this is just, as i stated before, a theory used to spark fringe movements, troubled adolescents who want to lash out. Most likely these neo-nazis have never met a Jew, nor have they ever been hurt by a Jew.
-But what if you were pursued in a court of law, with the assumption that there will be a rationale outcome, would you be required to pay compensation? The gangster, because he only wishes to exploit based on evil nature, would certainly obtain his money from you, because he doesnt rely on argument, but violence. This is the same for your neo-nazis, who follow an ideology that endorses violence to reach objectives. However in the context of an ordered society, i doubt that as a grandchild of a murderer, you become an accomplice to the murderer, therefore you hold no responsibility
Tell that to my girlfriend. She has the stigma of being half German, I know one guy who frequently equated her to Hitler and said she was a dirty Jew killer. I don't think she should be paying for the crimes of some idiot who even threw her great uncle in prison for being a communist. If this should be the case, she should receive reparations because her grandfather was taken as a prisoner of war by the Russians, but by some twist of fate ended up with the Americans who wanted to put him in near slave-labour conditions because he was a German conscript. Children should not pay for the crimes of their parents, and the demonisation of the Germans is one thing that I believe falls into this category.
It's also a lot more than that. The Jewish people have a historical right to this land. We lived in Israel and were banished, and for 2000 years yearned for nothing more than to one day return here. I'm not saying that Israel should belong to us alone, but we, like the Palestinians, also have a right to this land. The difference is that most of us admit to the fact that we should share this land, and many Palestinians refuse to...
-Norsemaiden
In an attempt to create an ideal Europe free from unwanted minorities, like the Jews, the Nazis implemented policies of obtaining Lebensraum (Living Space), which “involved the expulsion and deportation of millions of ethnic Jews and Slavs and their replacement by German and/or Nordic settlers.”(Stackelberg) The objective of this plan, although based on racial purity, was a means to give Germans more land to live on, more resources and more opportunities for advancement.(30 Ally) Basically a means of extending social welfare. It is the resettlement of these unwanted people, however, that is a major factor in leading up to the Holocaust, for the “final Solution evolved after the successive failures of other overly ambitious population resettlement plans.”(Stackelberg) The creation of Ghettos was one solution in resettling Jews and poles, even transferring them all to Madagascar or deep into Russia were suggested as options, all of which created with intention that starvation or forced labour would kill most of them off. (Stackelberg) In the end however, it was the lack of economic viability and failure in these plans that “that ultimately led to the systematic killing of the Holocaust.” (Stackelberg) The Nazi’s quest for living space is a clear example of their high priority for providing economic wellbeing for Aryan Germans. The seizing of land from neighbouring countries and the ultimate murdering of their unwanted populations, although tied with racism and Aryan supremacy, was also done on behalf of Nazi officials, for economic benefits.
This is an excerpt from an essay I wrote arguing the economic motives for the holocaust. Got a good mark from a decent history prof as well, despite my terrible grammar.
"The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let's be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”
Historians seem to forget about the rigorous delousing of clothing for Jews and non-Jews in the concentration camps. Why would they bother to delouse their clothing, if they were just going to be gassed right off the bat?
I have a question for all of you…have you ever seen a picture or video of any Nazi gassings?
I don't think that holocaust denial should be criminal, that's laughable. But whether historians should waste time proving the existence of one of the more well-documented atrocities of human history to the satisfaction of a few fringe types is another question altogether. It's the same with intelligent design, let them have their mousetraps and dice, there's actual work to be done.