Decent ride cymbal advice

[Disfunctional]

I am trying to mix a new song for my band and it should kick in really heavy with a constant hitting of the ride cymbal.

It sounds ok, but just a bit 'ting, ting, ting' like. Any advice for making it really pop as well as lift that part of the song etc?

Thanks

 

[Uladyne]

Do you mean you want more cymbal wash? I dont fully understand your issue. Did you close mic the ride or do you only have the overheads to work with? A lot of this may depend on the drummer's performance more than anything. If you want it to sound like the drummer is laying into that ride, but in reality he's just tapping it with the tip of the stick, theres not much you can do but retrack it. You might be able to clone the overheads and put a shit ton of compression on that cloned track, and automate it so it just comes in a bit on the part(s) you want to accentuate. Totally depends on the performance and the part, though. I kind of doubt it would yield satisfactory results though.

 

[Disfunctional]

Ahh sorry should have explained a bit more. I am using Logic to record demos so all the cymbals are samples. They just have that 'ting ting' effect rather than having any meat behind them. I'm just wondering if anyone has any idea to make the chorus stand out and really groove with the cymbals.

Thanks

 

[Uladyne]

Thats one of the shortcomings of programming drums, IMO. Unless you happen to stumble upon some ride samples that give you what you're looking for, I'm not sure if theres much you can do, unless someone else has a certain trick they know of.

I usually tend to stay away from rides in general if I'm going for energy. To me rides seem to work better for the more laid back parts, unless you have a real drummer and he can kind of get a little "thrashy" with the ride and open up some wash from the cymbal itself. Most cymbal samples don't seem to have this sort of thing in my experience.

 

[updog]

unless you use a ride bell sample, it's probably pretty hard to get to pop up in heavy stuff. If it is a bell, just scoop around to find the frequency it cuts through at.

 

[mick thompson]

post the sample Disfunctional as a single .wav / .aiff sample

 

[Disfunctional]

Thanks for all the replies. I know the rest of my mix is weak but this ride stands out quite a lot. If I swap it for a crash then it's just too overbearing and has that loud 'wah wah wah' scooping sound on every hit.

Mick, I am using Logic stock cymbals so not sure if I can post them up. I have swapped it out now for one called 'Sizzle Cymbal Crash 01' now which sounds a bit better.

I'm probably realising that it's also the rest of my mix that is bad so I'm trying to compensate more with the drums. I'm practicing on stock before I go and buy the Steven Slate stuff - should I just take the plunge now?

 

[Demonstealer]

^^^ Am sure u can eq the crash or ride to sound good . Also Erkan uploaded like some 600mb of samples which have lots of great rides and crashes.

 

[Morgan C]

If its programmed, try layering another cymbal sample underneath for whatever extra you want. I've found that works well, when a ride is nice but is getting lost, you get anothe rsample with just a 'ting' to cut through. Or vice versa, in your situation.